Due 7JAN14 at 8PM

You guys are still on the same turn?
...Edinburgh holds!

and about the games developments
shame shame shame

This looks to be an agreement to play to a three way draw, if so, that is HORRIBLE game play and I wish all of your computers melt down! Never play to a pre-arranged draw, it's nasty nasty stuff, so against all we play for!

If one of you has plans to make a late stab...
I still say shame on all of you for playing this way to start with! So many windows have been open, paths to a solo ignored! Bad, bad, bad play!!!

The early shake up of alliances, while I did not like being a pawn in that deal, it ended up making sense, but the continued play by all that ignored positioning themselves to end the game in a win, that was just so hard to watch! This has been one terrible game I wish I was not a part of! (again, not the loss. I have lost many times and will lose plenty more. It's the prearranged giving up of a solo in the interest of a later draw...just awful!)

Russia doubles over in pain after being punched in the gut!
Retreats due Wednesday 8JAN14 at 8PM

Fall 08 due 14JAN14 at 8PM

England:
A Edinburgh Hold

France:
A Belgium Supports A Ruhr - Holland
F English Channel - North Sea
F Liverpool Hold
F North Sea - Norway
F Norwegian Sea Supports F North Sea - Norway
A Ruhr - Holland
F Skagerrak Supports F North Sea - Norway
F Yorkshire Supports F English Channel - North Sea

Germany:
A Kiel - Denmark
A Sweden Supports A Kiel - Denmark

Italy:
A Berlin Supports A Munich - Kiel
A Livonia - St Petersburg
A Munich - Kiel
F Tunis Hold
A Tyrolia Hold
F Tyrrhenian Sea Hold
A Vienna Hold

Russia:
F Holland Hold (*Dislodged*)
A Norway Hold (*Dislodged*)
A St Petersburg Hold (*Dislodged*)

Turkey:
F Aegean Sea Hold
F Black Sea Hold
F Eastern Mediterranean Hold
A Galicia Hold
A Moscow Supports A Livonia - St Petersburg
A Sevastopol Supports A Moscow
A Silesia Hold
A Ukraine Supports A Warsaw
A Warsaw Supports A Silesia

Retreats:
A Norway may retreat to Finland or OTB
A St. Pete may retreat to Finland or OTB
F Holland may retreat to Skaggerrak or OTB

Tom, that is ridiculously presumptuous of you. I definitely did not play this game that way, and although I can't speak for Darren and/or Sendric, I really doubt they did either.

I'm not sure what you see in this game that is different from most others. I played it pretty much like any other…began allied with you and Guy, took a bit of a gamble on a stab that I felt would improve my result in the game, and I was right. Looks like I will get myself into a 3-way DIAS. Neither Darren or I could have gone for a solo, if either of us had stabbed Italy it would have only improved the chances for the other.

Looks like I will get in a 3 way draw?
gee, really? You didn't see this for how many turns? You avoided any and all stabs for how long?
Whatever you are trying to sell, nobody is buying!
You planned a three way draw and wasted everyone's time in planning a freaking draw!

I find this behavior deplorable by all involved.
Yes you started with a 3 way alliance to start and that alliance would have gone a long ways no doubt, but would it be PLANNED to end in a 3 way draw?
...absolutely not!
Could it have happened? of course, but would it be planned from the start of the alliance? Not a chance! Hey, you stabbed me when I was open to one...good for you, part of the game! But you ignored stabbing Italy, Italy ignored stabbing you (even when he could have laid absolute waste to France and gone for a solo) this avoiding winning, that is horrendous, we all play to WIN, not to end in a draw!

There was no point in this game where any one of us could have made a move for a solo. To think anything else is absurd.

Russia:
F Holland - Helgoland Bight
A Norway OTB
A St Petersburg - Finland

And the Tzar winds up in ICU with an orthodox priest.