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Post 02 Jul 2012, 3:42 pm

Since rickyp loves polls and methodology, I'm setting this up for him, complete with a poll he will love:

About a third of all Americans live in states that are not considered safe Republican or safe Democratic strongholds, including toss-ups states (like Florida and Ohio) as well as states that lean toward one presidential candidate but could ultimately wind up voting for his rival. In those 15 "battleground states," the poll indicates that Romney currently has a 51%-43% advantage over the president among registered voters, if the election were held today.
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Post 03 Jul 2012, 9:39 pm

This is too funny not to post:

According to a Newsweek/Daily Beast poll of likely voters, Barack Obama now rates behind Jimmy Carter in the pantheon of great presidents. The poll asked likely voters to list the two best and the two worst presidents the history of the United States.

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33. (tie) Andrew Johnson, -2 points (0 percent place in top-2, 2 percent place in bottom-2)
33. (tie) Warren G. Harding, -2 points (0 percent place in top-2, 2 percent place in bottom-2)
33. (tie) Calvin Coolidge, -2 points (0 percent place in top-2, 2 percent place in bottom-2)
36. (tie) Lyndon B. Johnson, -3 points (1 percent place in top-2, 4 percent place in bottom-2)
36. (tie) Gerald Ford, -3 points (1 percent place in top-2, 4 percent place in bottom-2)
38. Herbert Hoover, -4 points (0 percent place in top-2, 4 percent place in bottom-2)
39. George H.W. Bush, -9 points (4 percent place in top-2, 13 percent place in bottom-2)
40. Jimmy Carter, -20 points (5 percent place in top-2, 25 percent place in bottom-2)
41. Richard Nixon, -24 points (2 percent place in top-2, 26 percent place in bottom-2)
42. Barack Obama, -25 points (11 percent place in top-2, 36 percent place in bottom-2)
43. George W. Bush, -39 points (4 percent place in top-2, 43 percent place in bottom-2)


Does that mean he'll lose? No, but it makes me laugh.
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Post 10 Jul 2012, 8:02 am

More good news for the President:

Two-thirds of likely voters say President Obama has kept his 2008 campaign promise to change America — but it’s changed for the worse, according to a sizable majority.

A new poll for The Hill found 56 percent of likely voters believe Obama’s first term has transformed the nation in a negative way, compared to 35 percent who believe the country has changed for the better under his leadership.

The results signal broad voter unease with the direction the nation has taken under Obama’s leadership and present a major challenge for the incumbent Democrat as he seeks reelection this fall.
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Post 14 Jul 2012, 8:18 am

:eek: Your right Fate. This is devasting news... Based on this he's probably trailing by 10 points....

But wait! :eek:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls ... -1171.html

Even in Rasmussen he's currently ahead....
How to explain that? :no:
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Post 14 Jul 2012, 8:47 am

The thing that those polls don't show is what people feel about Romney. It's not enough (as John Kerry found) to be up against a president who has a lot of negative feelings about him, the challenger needs to be clearly an improvement.

And if Obama wins, I will laugh.
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Post 14 Jul 2012, 8:49 am

rickyp wrote::eek: Your right Fate. This is devasting news... Based on this he's probably trailing by 10 points....

But wait! :eek:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls ... -1171.html

Even in Rasmussen he's currently ahead....
How to explain that? :no:


Easy: he's the incumbent, is outspending Romney massively, is personally liked, and is lying unlike any incumbent since Nixon.

Btw, show me a poll of likely voters where he is at 50%. Most polls are pushing the idea that Democrats will make up the same percentage of the electorate they did in 2008, which I think is unlikely for many reasons.

Gallup tracking (RV) is 46%.

Next question.
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Post 14 Jul 2012, 8:49 am

danivon wrote:And if Obama wins, I will laugh.


Don't blame you. It's always fun to see a superpower destroy itself.
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Post 14 Jul 2012, 8:51 am

For a more reasonable perspective from the left, I recommend this.

The second key question for Obama’s strategy is whether his campaign’s attack on Mitt Romney is succeeding in defining him as an unacceptable alternative. Based on the evidence, it’s too early to say.

On the one hand, the last round of Bain attacks has clearly rattled the Romney campaign, and a smattering of survey evidence suggests that the sustained ad campaign in swing states has scored some points. On the other hand, the Pew survey found no shift since May in swing-state voter preference.

But it’s not too early to say that Obama’s vital signs look dicey. Over the past 33 months, his job approval has been lower than George W. Bush’s at a comparable time in his presidency for all but one week. Bush averaged above 50 percent in the quarter before his successful reelection campaign, while Obama has been stuck in the 46-48 percent range for months. And the famous “wrong track” measure now stands at 63 percent, versus 55 percent in the days preceding the vote in 2004. If these two numbers don’t improve for Obama, his presidency will be in jeopardy. And they probably won’t—unless the economy perks up noticeably.
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Post 15 Jul 2012, 1:41 am

Doctor Fate wrote:Don't blame you. It's always fun to see a superpower destroy itself.
that is not what will be funny (and an Obama second term will not do that, neither would a Romney term ). It's the hysterial rhetoric from blowhards like that which is/will be funny.
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Post 15 Jul 2012, 5:19 pm

Doctor Fate wrote:Since rickyp loves polls and methodology, I'm setting this up for him, complete with a poll he will love:

About a third of all Americans live in states that are not considered safe Republican or safe Democratic strongholds, including toss-ups states (like Florida and Ohio) as well as states that lean toward one presidential candidate but could ultimately wind up voting for his rival. In those 15 "battleground states," the poll indicates that Romney currently has a 51%-43% advantage over the president among registered voters, if the election were held today.


Good thing Obama has about double the "strongholds" that Romey does.
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Post 15 Jul 2012, 6:10 pm

danivon wrote:
Doctor Fate wrote:Don't blame you. It's always fun to see a superpower destroy itself.
that is not what will be funny (and an Obama second term will not do that, neither would a Romney term ). It's the hysterial rhetoric from blowhards like that which is/will be funny.


Convince me that another $6T in debt won't change a thing. That's Obama in a nutshell--well, other than continually violating the Constitution by arrogating powers to himself that Congress or the Supreme Court alone can exercise.
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Post 16 Jul 2012, 1:51 am

I think we both know it's not likely that anyone could convince you of anything different to what you've already predetermined will happen. You can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into.
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Post 16 Jul 2012, 6:31 am

danivon wrote:I think we both know it's not likely that anyone could convince you of anything different to what you've already predetermined will happen. You can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into.
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Actually, it's easy. Just point me to Mr. Obama's budget plan to lower deficits.
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Post 16 Jul 2012, 9:09 am

He has not deigned to share it with some random guy in England.

But I'm thinking that the bit I was responding to was about how the USA would 'destroy itself'. Which is a slightly different question to being whether Obama deficits will be at level A or level B (forgetting for a moment the question of what Romney deficits would look like in reality). Whatever I say will not convince you on that point, I suspect. If Obama reduces the deficit, it won't be enough or you'll hang on something else like the 'arrogation' of powers (which appears to be a superb portmanteau)
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danivon wrote:He has not deigned to share it with some random guy in England.


Well then, as he's going to have racked up $6T in his first 4 years and shows no signs of stopping--in fact, he's running around making new promises about more "investments"--I seem to be on fairly safe ground.

But I'm thinking that the bit I was responding to was about how the USA would 'destroy itself'. Which is a slightly different question to being whether Obama deficits will be at level A or level B (forgetting for a moment the question of what Romney deficits would look like in reality).


Every great power has fallen because it overextended itself financially. While that was sometimes marked by an overreaching military, that is a symptom and not the disease. The fatal illness is presuming that there is no ceiling on what a nation can spend. Dr. Obama senses we've got a fever and his prescription is "more spending."

Whatever I say will not convince you on that point, I suspect. If Obama reduces the deficit, it won't be enough or you'll hang on something else like the 'arrogation' of powers (which appears to be a superb portmanteau)


It's not what you say--it's what he does. Show me a plan, that's all I'm asking. If he had one, it would be easy to point to.

He has absolutely assumed powers that don't belong to the Presidency. He has determined laws are unconstitutional. He has changed legislation passed by Congress. He has, via the EPA, NLRB and DoJ enacted social and economic change of a scale not seen since the 60's without so much as a whisper to Congress.