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Post 22 Jun 2012, 7:53 am

I postulate; nothing.

Here's why.
Imagine, for a moment, that the Tea Party gets its wish: Not only is Barack Obama booted from office, but so too are dozens of Democratic lawmakers. With the Republican numbers strengthened by an incoming class of rock-ribbed GOP congressman, President Mitt Romney repeals Obamacare and systematically dismantles the heavily regulated welfare state that has been built up, by Democratic and Republican administrations alike, since the New Deal.

That’s the fantasy: a small-government revolution to take America back to the libertarian blueprint created by the nation’s Founding Fathers. But it won’t happen, no matter what happens in November. That’s because, as David Frum reminded us in his recent column about the campaign to build a new Detroit-Windsor bridge, many of the Republican politicians and special-interest groups riding the Tea Party phenomenon don’t really want to get rid of government’s power to decide economic winners and losers. They just want to capture the levers of government so they can pick different winners and losers


I don't know if you're geo blocked from the source for this so I'll quote a significant portion below.
The evidence that "So they can pick different winners and losers is amply demonstrated in this article about the Tea Party maneuverings at the Detroit Windsor bridge... In a nutshell a monopoly on the border crossing earns one man over $50 million a year. Major operatives of The Tea Party is in full support of this monopoly and doing everything they can to stop the building of a second badly needed bridge.

http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/201 ... -s-bridge/


The following is the source for the quoatation above, and the excerpt below. In the excerpt note that many of the issues seem to find agreement between various opinions on the political spectum on this board. But they'll never be settled with the current American political make up and climate.
Ethanol and teachers tenure ...for instance... So, am I wrong? Would a Romney election bring about real change or the picking of different "winners and losers"?

http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/201 ... neighbour/

•In economic and thermodynamic terms, the use of corn to produce ethanol is a pointless, and even destructive, commercial practice. Yet it persists, with enormous government subsidy, thanks to a small group of industrialists led by the Archer Daniels Midland Company. Because presidential contenders must start their heartland campaign in Iowa, ground zero for corn farming, standing up for common sense has become perversely difficult.
•While the majority of climate scientists and policy experts agree that man-made global warming is a serious problem, environmental activists are swamped by the much larger influence of energy-industry lobbyists, who argue for permissive emission standards and a do-nothing approach to climate change — and who even sow doubts in the media about established science. (In 2009, environmental groups spent $22.4-million lobbying Congress. Their opponents spent seven times that amount.) Politicians, Lessig argues, should concern themselves with the “externalities” imposed by energy production — such as the hundreds of billions of dollars worth of damage that carbon combustion produces. But because such externalities cannot be monetized in the form of campaign contributions, they are largely ignored.
•The key to great public education is great teachers. According to a Hoover Institute scholar whom Lessig quotes, eliminating just the bottom 6% to 8% of bad teachers would bring America’s mediocre test scores up to the standards of world-leading nations such as Finland. Yet well-funded teachers unions consistently block such moves, rigorously defending a model based on seniority and tenure. (These unions, Lessig notes, are among the largest contributors to the Democratic Party.)
•Everyone agrees that a major factor in the 2008 financial crisis was the moral hazard surrounding banks that were “too big to fail.” Yet thanks to aggressive lobbying by those same banks, none of the regulation to come out of that crisis has put a cap on the size of financial institutions. “In October 2009, there were 1,537 lobbyists representing financial institutions registered in D.C., and lobbying to affect this critical legislation – 25 times the number registered to support consumer groups, unions and other proponents of strong reform,” Lessig writes. The result: Wall Street players have gotten bigger, as the rich swallowed the poor in the post-2008 shakeout. And so when the next crisis comes, taxpayers will again be on the hook for bailouts
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Post 26 Jun 2012, 5:06 am

Maybe the US will stop assassinating citizens and others in sovereign nations.

Nah, what am I thinking.
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Post 26 Jun 2012, 7:18 am

The next Supreme Court pick or two will matter.
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Post 28 Jun 2012, 7:33 am

Ray Jay wrote:The next Supreme Court pick or two will matter.


Do we need more libs on the court? We've got Roberts!
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Post 28 Jun 2012, 2:47 pm

Doctor Fate wrote:
Ray Jay wrote:The next Supreme Court pick or two will matter.


Do we need more libs on the court? We've got Roberts!


Roberts is saying that what something really is is more important than what something is called by Congress. That makes sense to me.
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Post 28 Jun 2012, 3:07 pm

Ray Jay wrote:Roberts is saying that what something really is is more important than what something is called by Congress. That makes sense to me.


I guess.

However, how many times will Democrats brag about Obamacare now without mentioning the whole "tax" thingie?
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Post 28 Jun 2012, 3:23 pm

We might also see less corruption if Romney is elected.

The emails also show how the health-care industry was concerned in 2009 about the revelation in the media that they were partnering with AKPD.

“I want to alert everyone to a potential problem,” wrote Ken Johnson, the senior vice president of PhRMA, in an email to colleagues on June 30, 2009.

“Bloomberg is getting ready to report that ‘political consultants’ close to the White House — more specifically close to [now-former White House Chief of Staff] Rahm Emanuel — will be running our 100 million plus dollar campaign to try to pass comprehensive health care reform,” he wrote.

PhRMA lobbyist Bryant Hall responded, writing, “This is a big problem.”

Democratic consultant Nick Baldick chimed in: “Your person can just say, AKPD is not working for PhRMA.”

Hall responded: “Yes — we can spin whatever, but just depends on who is talking to Bloomberg and what they are saying.”

“I also get the impression from talking to the reporter that we will get a heavy dose of criticism for selecting these particular consultants,” Johnson wrote.

The consultants apparently being referenced were John Del Cecato, Larry Grisolano and Andy Grossman. In a June 3, 2009 email, McMahon, the PhRMA consultant, described them as the “WH-designated folks” and wrote that they “are very close to Axelrod (Griz and DelCecato are partners in Ax’s firm).”

The emails suggest that the Obama administration had a role in the creation of the Healthy Economy Now group, which came about after a April 15, 2009 meeting attended by White House official Jim Messina.
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Post 10 Jul 2012, 8:21 am

Doctor Fate wrote:
Ray Jay wrote:The next Supreme Court pick or two will matter.


Do we need more libs on the court? We've got Roberts!


I read an interesting stat today ... the average SC justice term is 25 years ... also Presidents are starting to pick younger SC justices ... under her current life expectancy, Kagan could be on the SC till the 40's ... so whereas the average President is in office about 6 years, assuming 2 or 3 SC picks, his legacy is really 30+ years .. there are currently 3 justices in their 80's.

The Op Ed said something like: although Democratic Presidents may use drones and maintain wars, and Republican Presidents may spend like drunken sailors, in these times they tend to pick Justices that reflect their Party's viewpoint (as I write this I realize we may find that Roberts is an exception).
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Post 10 Jul 2012, 2:44 pm

There are four justices in their 70s (Ginsberg, Scalia, Kennedy and Breyer) and fiive justices 64 or younger. Unless a justice dies I'm not sure we'll see a great change on the court. I would doubt that you would see Scalia or Kennedy resign if Obama wins; and if Obama wins I doubt you will see Ginsberg or Breyer resign. And if Scalia resigns with Romeny being president, presumably you would get a similar justice; if Ginsberg or Breyer resign and Obama is president, presumably you would also get a similar justice. Now with Kennedy being a swing vote, the composition of the court could change if he is replace by a more conservative justice by Romney. I have thought that conservatives have overstated Robert's siding with the liberals on the ACA, but i suspect with Kennedy off of the court he might feel compelled to make sure the court does not go too far right.

Of course, you never know if a justice is going to get seriously ill or die and that will throw everything off. And Ginbsberg has had prior health problems and is 79. The real question is whether the next president will get to replace a justice who is opposite politically and I think the odds are greater the next election cycle after this one. Still, from a liberal perspective, if Romney wins and gets reelected Breyer and Ginsberg would have to last until their middle 80s or longer to avoid having the court have a clear conservative majority (they do now but Kennedy and now perhaps Roberts have made sure they haven't been totally heedless of the consequences of their decisions--i doubt that Alito, Scalia and Thomas would have any such reservations)
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Post 11 Jul 2012, 5:08 am

Thanks for the correction ... 3 justices who will be in their 80's during the next term.

With all do respect to the elderly, do we really want people making these decisions in their 80's. That's the age of my mom and her friends, and you can see some decline ...
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Post 11 Jul 2012, 9:11 am

I guess maximum length terms or a maximum age would deal with that and avoid questions of exactly when a particular SCJ had crossed from wisdom to senility or political pressures to stand down at a particular time. But would that not itself be a controversial rule? Whne the Constitution was written, people tended not to live long enough for this to be an issue
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Post 11 Jul 2012, 9:30 am

Some things must just be accepted as they are ... many conservatives now think that senility begins at 57.
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Post 11 Jul 2012, 9:35 am

danivon wrote:IWhne the Constitution was written, people tended not to live long enough for this to be an issue

just as an fyi when the Constitution was written, being a Justice wasn't considered a big deal. A number of the early Justices resigned their seats in favor of other political offices. For example, the first Chief Justice, John Jay, resigned to become Governor of New York and Associate Justice John Rutledge resigned to become Chief Justice of the South Carolina Supreme Court.

Don't know if it adds to the discussion but I thought it was an interesting tidbit about the early view of the Federal Judiciary.
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Post 11 Jul 2012, 11:22 am

Ray Jay wrote:Some things must just be accepted as they are
why? If people didn't question how things were run you guys would be celebrating the Diamond Jubiliee of Elizabeth II along with us instead of having last week's 4th July.

It wouldn't take a revolution. Perhaps a Constitutional Amendment would be the most it needs. Not being an expert, I don't know if it could be done more easily than that.

... many conservatives now think that senility begins at 57.
:laugh: Only one SCJ is younger than Roberts (Kagan). Do you think they'd agree that Alito (62), Thomas (64) and Scalia (76) might also have succumbed a while ago?
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Post 11 Jul 2012, 12:59 pm

Little or nothing.