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Post 10 May 2012, 3:04 pm

Romney has, following Obama's public policy switch on gay marriage, confirmed his opposition. Consistency is, of course, laudable.

But in another thread, we've been asked to think about leadership and courage. Just so happens that another story about Romney has arisen, and his attitudes and behaviour in the past towards someone not quite as masculine as he and his pals would like.

Romney apologises for school 'pranks'

I was always told that bullies are really just cowards. So, how much has Romney changed from the days when he was at prep school?
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Post 10 May 2012, 3:43 pm

It's a disturbing story, but I give everyone a pass on things that happened when they were children. I've known some awesome people who were awful children. Part of childhood is an exploration, a search for the type of person you'll be. Just because you did something awful in childhood doesn't mean anything as to your quality as an adult.

I expect that he remembers the incident and is embarrassed by it.
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Post 10 May 2012, 3:57 pm

Sure, people grow up. Hence my question, in what way has he changed?
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Post 10 May 2012, 4:50 pm

I don't think he'd restrain anyone and forcibly cut off their hair again, if that's what you mean. Childhood is off limits. Just not relevant. He's got tons of things he can be criticized for, but this shouldn't be one of them.
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Post 10 May 2012, 7:41 pm

I have not spoken about the "autobiography" of Obama or his past. Since you brought it up, though...

Wasn't he a coke user and heavy doper?

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2012/05/10/Obama-High-School-Drugs

Owen, if judging on past actions, which is more of a negative? Cutting a kids hair or being a drug user?
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Post 10 May 2012, 8:04 pm

I have my doubts that people who are awful chiildren turn into wonderful adults People who are wonderful adults may have done some questionable things when they are young; however; if they consistently mistreat other people when they are young, well, I doubt they are going to turn into saints. . And high school age is getting pretty close to adult. And Romeny was a leader in this so-called prank, which is much different than just being a follower. That being said, while I don't think that incident is inconsistent with Romney's characteri (as I see it), I doubt vey much anyone will consider it when they vote. It's one incident, it's not that bad, and he was young.
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Post 10 May 2012, 9:57 pm

Well, another classmate said that Romney would say "atta girl" when he volunteered in class...Starting to seem like more of a pattern (he was 18 years old when these incident occurred btw)...And Romney not sounding credible when he says he does not remember the incidents (and inappropriately laughing about it when asked).. He's a creepy guy.. I said before he had lost the Black vote, the Hispanic vote, the female vote,, the youth vote and a poriton of the Senior vote. Wel, add to that dog lovers (remember he put the family pooch on the roof when they went on vacation) and the gay vote.

I can't view this impartially but I never liked bullies
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Post 10 May 2012, 11:26 pm

bbauska wrote:I have not spoken about the "autobiography" of Obama or his past. Since you brought it up, though...

Wasn't he a coke user and heavy doper?

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2012/05/10/Obama-High-School-Drugs

Owen, if judging on past actions, which is more of a negative? Cutting a kids hair or being a drug user?
Well, using drugs harms oneself, while bullying harms another. I think I would say that the latter is more negative.

But there is a clear difference between the adult Obama and Romney - Obama was open about his past and put it in his autobiography. Romney claims not to remember. When judging the men, what is worse, sinning but repenting or sinning and shrugging it off?
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Post 11 May 2012, 6:42 am

bbauska wrote:I have not spoken about the "autobiography" of Obama or his past. Since you brought it up, though...

Wasn't he a coke user and heavy doper?

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2012/05/10/Obama-High-School-Drugs

Owen, if judging on past actions, which is more of a negative? Cutting a kids hair or being a drug user?


Clearly, assault is a much more serious crime than doing drugs. One hurts another, the other hurts yourself. That line of comparison will get you absolutely no where with most people Brad.
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Post 11 May 2012, 6:47 am

freeman2 wrote:I have my doubts that people who are awful chiildren turn into wonderful adults People who are wonderful adults may have done some questionable things when they are young; however; if they consistently mistreat other people when they are young, well, I doubt they are going to turn into saints. . And high school age is getting pretty close to adult. And Romeny was a leader in this so-called prank, which is much different than just being a follower. That being said, while I don't think that incident is inconsistent with Romney's characteri (as I see it), I doubt vey much anyone will consider it when they vote. It's one incident, it's not that bad, and he was young.


I don't disagree. Nearly everyone did something when they were teenagers that they regret. There is value in that regret. There is humanity in regret. We are reminded of our own fallibility through regret.

Of course, if you don't regret awful things you've done, no matter what age, then there's something wrong with you.
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Post 11 May 2012, 7:09 am

Jesus Christ. I really can't believe you people are discussing this crap.
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Post 11 May 2012, 8:07 am

freeman2 wrote:Well, another classmate said that Romney would say "atta girl" when he volunteered in class...Starting to seem like more of a pattern (he was 18 years old when these incident occurred btw)...And Romney not sounding credible when he says he does not remember the incidents (and inappropriately laughing about it when asked).. He's a creepy guy.. I said before he had lost the Black vote, the Hispanic vote, the female vote,, the youth vote and a poriton of the Senior vote. Wel, add to that dog lovers (remember he put the family pooch on the roof when they went on vacation) and the gay vote.

I can't view this impartially but I never liked bullies


Hmm, could it be that this is all/mostly garbage?

First, the alleged victim is no longer alive. Second, the alleged victim's family has no recollection of the incident and says he would be appalled to be a part of a political story.

Third, there are serious doubts about whether the incident took place.

There are a few problems with the story, to be sure: One person, said by The Washington Post to have “long been bothered” by the incident, told ABC News he wasn’t even aware of it until earlier this year, when the paper first contacted him.

Romney, for his part, says he doesn’t recall it and insists that he had “no idea” of the classmate’s sexual orientation.


Fourth, an alleged star witness to the alleged incident was not there:

Yet in an interview with ABC News today, White disowned that characterization:
While the Post reports White as having “long been bothered” by the haircutting incident,” he told ABC News he was not present for the prank, in which Romney is said to have forcefully cut a student’s long hair and was not aware of it until this year when he was contacted by the Washington Post.
White didn’t know about the incident until this year, but the Post reported that he had “long been bothered” by it. We demanded a correction.
So the Washington Post did what no reputable newspaper should ever do when caught falsifying testimony: it made a stealth correction to its own article. The article now reads:
“I always enjoyed his pranks,” said Stu White, a popular friend of Romney’s who went on to a career as a public school teacher and said he has been “disturbed” by the Lauber incident since hearing about it several weeks ago, before being contacted by The Washington Post. “But I was not the brunt of any of his pranks.” [emphasis added]
The Post did not note that it had made any correction to the article.


Fifth, this would at least appear to have all the hallmarks of a politically-motivated lie. The alleged witnesses?

The five sources who recounted the story, one of whom asked not be named, identify mostly with the Democratic Party, wrote Post reporter Jason Horowitz.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/05/10/romne ... z1uZdCDPg5


Mark Twain once said, “A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes.”


It travels more quickly if people are gullible enough to swallow it and post it on the Internet. Who needs evidence if the WaPo says it's true, it must be--even AFTER they've changed their story.

Romney says he has no recollection of the incident. Apparently, neither does anyone else, yet, it rates 5500 words in the Wa-Po.

Meanwhile, by the President's own admission his last two years of HS were spent "in a daze," ditching class, hanging out with bullies who were spoiling for fights. How exactly did he ever matriculate to Harvard Law School?

How many words has Wa-Po spent trying to sort that out? Has anyone ever tried to sort out if the President ever sold drugs? Have they interviewed his stoner or bully buddies in HS?

So, what is all of this?

As the Archduke so profanely implies, it is a distraction. Throw some dirt in the air and pray that people focus on that instead of the President's performance.
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Post 11 May 2012, 9:46 am

So Romney apologized for stuff he didn't do? That's hiilarious, Steve!
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Post 11 May 2012, 9:57 am

Well, Archduke, the electorate ignored Bush's irresponsible character that he displayed as a young man and look where that got us. I don't care about stories about someone drinking or using drugs or carousing in high school or college--however, publicly humiliating other students that are perceived to be guy, I don' think that should be ignored. And he was 18 years old, not like he was a child when this happened .
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Post 11 May 2012, 10:06 am

By the way, Steve, your sources do not say they doubt that these incidents really happened--only you say that.