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Post 01 Nov 2011, 12:28 pm

I'm just sayin . . . read this and decide.

Rewind to 1994. That year, the federal government declared war on an enemy — the racist lender — who officials claimed was to blame for differences in homeownership rate, and launched what would prove the costliest social crusade in U.S. history.

At President Clinton's direction, no fewer than 10 federal agencies issued a chilling ultimatum to banks and mortgage lenders to ease credit for lower-income minorities or face investigations for lending discrimination and suffer the related adverse publicity. They also were threatened with denial of access to the all-important secondary mortgage market and stiff fines, along with other penalties.

Bubble? Regulators Blew It

The threat was codified in a 20-page "Policy Statement on Discrimination in Lending" and entered into the Federal Register on April 15, 1994, by the Interagency Task Force on Fair Lending. Clinton set up the little-known body to coordinate an unprecedented crackdown on alleged bank redlining.

The edict — completely overlooked by the Financial Crisis Inquiry Commission and the mainstream media — was signed by then-HUD Secretary Henry Cisneros, Attorney General Janet Reno, Comptroller of the Currency Eugene Ludwig and Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan, along with the heads of six other financial regulatory agencies.

"The agencies will not tolerate lending discrimination in any form," the document warned financial institutions.

Ludwig at the time stated the ruling would be used by the agen cies as a fair-lending enforcement "tool," and would apply to "all lenders" — including banks and thrifts, credit unions, mortgage brokers and finance companies.

The unusual full-court press was predicated on a Boston Fed study showing mortgage lenders rejecting blacks and Hispanics in greater proportion than whites. The author of the 1992 study, hired by the Clinton White House, claimed it was racial "discrimination." But it was simply good underwriting.. .

For the first time, Washington's bank regulators put racial lending at the top of their checklist. Banks that failed to throw open their lending windows to credit-poor minorities were denied expansion plans by the Fed in an era of frenzied financial mergers and acquisitions. HUD threatened to deny them access to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, which it controlled. And the Justice Department sued them for lending discrimination and branded them as racists in the press.

"HUD is authorized to direct Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to undertake various remedial actions, including suspension, probation, reprimand or settlement, against lenders found to have engaged in discriminatory lending practices," the official policy statement warned.

The regulatory missive, which had the effect of law, advised lenders to bend "customary" underwriting standards for minority homebuyers with poor credit.


To make a long story short, the Clinton Administration forced banks to make bad loans. That drove up prices by artificially inflating demand. Additionally, Freddie and Fannie underwrote many poor-performing loans.

I expect Obama to start running against Clinton. :no:
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Post 06 Nov 2011, 11:39 am

Did Clinton force the banks to sell the CDS instruments based on these loans, or the ratings agencies to over-value them? Did he force them to greatly increase their debt:asset ratio? Did he and his administration preside over the 7 years leading up to the crash, operating the regulatory regime?

And I'd like to see the original report, and what the 'customary' underwriting procedures were in relation to how they affected racial minorities. Were they, for example, like the 'redlining' of districts?. 'Customary' only means what people did as practice, not that it was necessarily rigorously fair.
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Post 06 Nov 2011, 12:20 pm

There is a mad scramble to change the narative isn't there? Wonder why? Could it be that without a changd narative an entire political/economic philosophy is discredited?
here's the most comprehensive and yet brief explanation of the major causes Steve. You'll note that unusual mortgage products that might have been targeted to minorities who shouldn't have had mortages are included... But those packages went to a lot of people...

●Fed Chair Alan Greenspan dropped rates to 1 percent — levels not seen for half a century — and kept them there for an unprecedentedly long period. This caused a spiral in anything priced in dollars (i.e., oil, gold) or credit (i.e., housing) or liquidity driven (i.e., stocks).

●Low rates meant asset managers could no longer get decent yields from municipal bonds or Treasurys. Instead, they turned to high-yield mortgage-backed securities. Nearly all of them failed to do adequate due diligence before buying them, did not understand these instruments or the risk involved. They violated one of the most important rules of investing: Know what you own.

●Fund managers made this error because they relied on the credit ratings agencies — Moody’s, S&P and Fitch. They had placed an AAA rating on these junk securities, claiming they were as safe as U.S. Treasurys.

4 Derivatives had become a uniquely unregulated financial instrument. They are exempt from all oversight, counter-party disclosure, exchange listing requirements, state insurance supervision and, most important, reserve requirements. This allowed AIG to write $3 trillion in derivatives while reserving precisely zero dollars against future claims.

5 The Securities and Exchange Commission changed the leverage rules for just five Wall Street banks in 2004. The “Bear Stearns exemption” replaced the 1977 net capitalization rule’s 12-to-1 leverage limit. In its place, it allowed unlimited leverage for Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley, Merrill Lynch, Lehman Brothers and Bear Stearns. These banks ramped leverage to 20-, 30-, even 40-to-1. Extreme leverage leaves very little room for error.(Do you think these entities were forced to accept these capitalization regulations against their will or did they actively lobby for them?)

6Wall Street’s compensation system was skewed toward short-term performance. It gives traders lots of upside and none of the downside. This creates incentives to take excessive risks.

7 The demand for higher-yielding paper led Wall Street to begin bundling mortgages. The highest yielding were subprime mortgages. This market was dominated by non-bank originators exempt from most regulations. The Fed could have supervised them, but Greenspan did not.

8 These mortgage originators’ lend-to-sell-to-securitizers model had them holding mortgages for a very short period. This allowed them to get creative with underwriting standards, abdicating traditional lending metrics such as income, credit rating, debt-service history and loan-to-value.

9 “Innovative” mortgage products were developed to reach more subprime borrowers. These include 2/28 adjustable-rate mortgages, interest-only loans, piggy-bank mortgages (simultaneous underlying mortgage and home-equity lines) and the notorious negative amortization loans (borrower’s indebtedness goes up each month). These mortgages defaulted in vastly disproportionate numbers to traditional 30-year fixed mortgages.

●To keep up with these newfangled originators, traditional banks developed automated underwriting systems. The software was gamed by employees paid on loan volume, not quality.

●Glass-Steagall legislation, which kept Wall Street and Main Street banks walled off from each other, was repealed in 1998. This allowed FDIC-insured banks, whose deposits were guaranteed by the government, to engage in highly risky business. It also allowed the banks to bulk up, becoming bigger, more complex and unwieldy.(Who lobbied for this? And who's complaining about reinstatement?)
●Many states had anti-predatory lending laws on their books (along with lower defaults and foreclosure rates). In 2004, the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency federally preempted state laws regulating mortgage credit and national banks. Following this change, national lenders sold increasingly risky loan products in those states. Shortly after, their default and foreclosure rates skyrocketed.

Bloomberg was partially correct: Congress did radically deregulate the financial sector, doing away with many of the protections that had worked for decades. Congress allowed Wall Street to self-regulate, and the Fed the turned a blind eye to bank abuses.

The previous Big Lie — the discredited belief that free markets require no adult supervision — is the reason people have created a new false narrative.

Source:http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/what-caused-the-financial-crisis-the-big-lie-goes-viral/2011/10/31/gIQAXlSOqM_story_1.html
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Post 06 Nov 2011, 12:24 pm

Yes, ricky, but DEMOCRATS SUCK!!11!

Which I'm sure you'll recognise trumps all rational analysis.
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Post 06 Nov 2011, 12:36 pm

If winning the arguement is all thats important, and the arguement can't be won rationnally because the available evidence is stacked against you, then you must employ an irrational arguement.
When a significant portion of the population is unused to logic, rationality and science you have a fertile ground upon which to sow your seeds of misinformation...
If you're lucky they won't be effectively oppossed and the myth becomes the reality. Perhaps that is OWS biggest contribution. The constant reminder of the genuine culprits for the current economic state...
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Post 06 Nov 2011, 12:54 pm

Clinton, Bush, and Obama have all dabbled in the free-market. This is where the problems began. Whether it be regulations, bailouts, or preferential treatments; it is all wrong. The blame can be passed all around. If you want to argue that case, have at it.
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Post 06 Nov 2011, 1:14 pm

I agree, Brad, that there's a fair amount of blame to spread around both main parties. And in the large financial institutions that failed to rwgulate themselves. But I disagree that regulation is the problem. It was more that regulations which would have helped didn't some in, were relaxed, or were ignored and that the other regulations did not help and in some cases made things worse.
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Post 06 Nov 2011, 4:13 pm

Not just regulations. I also mentioned the bailouts and preferential treatments. I am all for the business industry making the loans and controlling the markets. I am sure that there will be some who claim that business in charge of the market is not a good situation. Certainly the government having it's hands in it has not done all that well.

At least we agree... :wink:
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Post 06 Nov 2011, 6:50 pm

I am curious, Brad, as to which of the causes listed in the article cited by RickyP are incorrect? If all are accurate (or at least most) then do you agree that lack of regulaton (said lack of regulation lobbied for by Wall Street and the banking industry) caused the financial crisis? If lack of regulation caused the Finanical Crisis then you would agree that there needs to be more government regulation of the banks, wouldn't you? If so, yes, you would agree with RickyP.

Now if you don't agree wth one or more of the reasons cited in the article that caused the financial collapse, then what is your evidence for questioning one or more of the reasons specified?

Brad, I have never seen conservatives (or Wall Street apologists) actually dispute the reasons citied in the article. All they ever do is state thtat it was the government forcing the banks to lend the poor that caused the collapse. The evidence against that being the cause of the Financial Crisis is overwhelmiing.

It reminds me when the Bush Administration was trying to convince Americans that Saddam Hussein was involved in the 9-11 attacks. Of course, there was absolutely no evidence to support that assertion. Yet,l several years after 9-11 polls would indicate something like 40% of Americans believed that Hussein was involved in the attacks.

Alan Greenspan (the Ayn Rand free market adherent) has said that he was wrong in thinking that the markets would essentially self-regulate. In other words, he blamed the financial collapse on a lack of regulation. You don't agree with Alan Greenspan, Brad?
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Post 06 Nov 2011, 8:16 pm

When you say lack of regulation, what you really mean is not enough good regulation. There is a tremendous amount of regulation of the financial sector. We need less and better regulation. Somehow it seems that when there is a tremendous amount of regulation, regulators get confused and do not focus on the important issues. This is also true in big 4 auditing as well as the SEC. We need much less, and better regulation.

Also, I don't think that you should discount the role of FNMA and Freddie Mac. They knew that Congress would backstop them, and in return Congress mandated / encouraged them to buy unwise loans. Banks knew that they could sell the loans to FNMA and avoid bad losses. This created competition amongst lenders to relax their standards so that they could compete. I'm not saying that WS is innocent; but you have to agree that Congressional meddling in the housing market played a big role.
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Post 06 Nov 2011, 10:17 pm

I don't refute the article, Freeman. I say that there are more issues than the ones listed by RickyP. I want to hear you say that preferential treatments and bailouts are what the market needed. If you think that then I am surprised.

I agree with RJ. There is too much regulation, and most of the regulation that is there is needless. The regulation should be just enough to treat protected classes equally. No discrimination based on any protected class. Otherwise, let the market decide.

Freddie and Fannie had no fear, and they acted that way. Now they get bonuses? Has anyone heard the OWS gripe about that?
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Post 07 Nov 2011, 1:45 am

bbauska wrote:Not just regulations. I also mentioned the bailouts and preferential treatments. I am all for the business industry making the loans and controlling the markets. I am sure that there will be some who claim that business in charge of the market is not a good situation. Certainly the government having it's hands in it has not done all that well.

At least we agree... :wink:
How much control did the government actually have? Repeal of Glass-Steagal was a removal of control. CDS instruments were not much regulated at all? The trend in the USA and UK over the past 30 years has been for a reduction in regulation (and that includes the enforcement of regulations) of the financial industry. With a few blips after disasters notwithstanding.

The problem with the way that banks traded CDS instruments and over-leveraged themselves had absolutely nothing to do with the government over-regulating them. That was under 'the business industry'. You had Ratings Agencies which were signing off investments as AAA but which contained sub-prime elements. They didn't do that because Government forced them to, but there's definitely a hint of conflict of interest given that they were paid to rate by the banks and financial companies.

So, yeah, the government changed the guidelines to make it easier for some people to get home loans. If it was just that which caused the whole system to go to the brink, Dr Fate would have a point. But it most certainly was not. And I still don't have the full picture as to what the 'customary' rules were that were to be 'bent'.

And, as much as we can all bemoan bailouts, they were unfortunately necessary. When Lehman Bros went, the constriction on credit (meaning transfer of money) became acute and several institutions were at high risk. The chances of another collapse increases massively, and every failed bank or insurance company would knock on to all of its creditors.

The problem with the bailouts was that too few strings were attached. But at the time, the main fear from the right was that too many strings would be attached.

Have OWS complained about bonuses to Fanny and Freddie? Well, I haven't seen them welcome them either, so does that make any difference to the reality? I think they have actually been more general in 'griping' about all bonuses and bailouts, so why do they have to be more specific? This smells more like a distraction, to be honest. And if OWS were the only voices who oppose the narrative from the industry that it's not their fault, perhaps it would make sense, but they most definitely are not.

With that last line, Brad, you drove a coach and horses through your intent to look at this with an open mind. OWS is not the same thing as the entire left-of-Republican polity.
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Post 07 Nov 2011, 1:57 am

Ray Jay wrote:When you say lack of regulation, what you really mean is not enough good regulation. There is a tremendous amount of regulation of the financial sector. We need less and better regulation. Somehow it seems that when there is a tremendous amount of regulation, regulators get confused and do not focus on the important issues. This is also true in big 4 auditing as well as the SEC. We need much less, and better regulation.
I don't suppose that 'light touch' enforcement and under-investment in the resources for regulators helped them either.

And it is always very easy to call for 'better' regulation and 'simpler' regulation. But we have to understand how it gets so complicated. Often it's because people find ways to get around the simple rules. Or that a simple blanket rule has unintended consequences. Also, there's a fair amount of pressure put to bear on legislators and regulators by the industry as well, to have the rules written in particular ways. And there will always be arguments that a 'good' rule will reduce profitability.

Also, I don't think that you should discount the role of FNMA and Freddie Mac. They knew that Congress would backstop them, and in return Congress mandated / encouraged them to buy unwise loans. Banks knew that they could sell the loans to FNMA and avoid bad losses. This created competition amongst lenders to relax their standards so that they could compete. I'm not saying that WS is innocent; but you have to agree that Congressional meddling in the housing market played a big role.
It was contributory. But still, if the systemic issues with selling and insuring the mortgages on as assets to the point that all major companies were in hock to each other had not existed, a housing crash would have been a shock that could be confined.

And, they were not forced to compete. They took a risk to compete. That's what capitalism is all about, right? Making investments at risk and hoping that the decisions were the right ones. They chose to relax standards to compete, you say? Well, that was their choice. They chose to compete, which is what capitalism is about. They could have chosen to stay away or to be less cavalier with their investors' money. They did not take that choice.

The inter-connectedness of the global financial market, the lack of 'Chinese Walls' within banking groups (post repeal of G-S), the trend towards over-leveraging, the move from mutualism to corporatism, the fact that banks were investing in CDS instruments that they barely understood at a senior level...

If it had not been the housing market, those issues could still have come into play with another major financial shock.

These all played a big role too, and few of them are a result of Congressional meddling. Why, pray, would an under-fire Wall St and it's allies in the media and political worlds want to make out that it's only DC that caused the problems?
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Post 07 Nov 2011, 5:58 am

Dan:
I don't suppose that 'light touch' enforcement and under-investment in the resources for regulators helped them either.


Do you have any time series data on SEC and other regulator budgets to back up the under investment assertion?

Dan:
And it is always very easy to call for 'better' regulation and 'simpler' regulation. But we have to understand how it gets so complicated.


One reason our regulatory environment gets more complicated is that people call for more regulation instead of better regulation.
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Post 07 Nov 2011, 7:13 am

Wall Street built the instrument of financial destruction: a giant financial nuclear reactor that completely melted down. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac provided the fuel: atomic liquidity without which the nuclear reactor would not have worked.

There's enough blame to go around, but in my view, Fannie & Freddie were as culpable as the ore you dig out of the ground to fuel a flawed reactor, and about as smart. Wall St built the reactor, figured out how to enrich the uranium thorough leverage and put it to work.

(Considering how many physicists are now working on Wall St, I really like this metaphor.)