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Post 26 May 2022, 4:09 am

Uvalde is a terrible tragedy.

The "good guys with guns" apparently ran off and hid while he murdered most of a class of fourth-graders. He was killed afterwards.

He obtained two weapons shortly after turning 18 (which was only relatively recently made legal by Texas).

Yet again, it was an AR-15 or derivative used.

Yet again the reaction is predictable - anger from those who support gun control that this is still happening, met with "don't politicise this, it's too early, let's just send <thoughts&prayers> and propose more guns".

The NRA have a conference in Texas this weekend, and prominent state GOP representatives are to speak.

Tragic.
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Post 26 May 2022, 7:26 am

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The "good guys with guns" apparently ran off and hid while he murdered most of a class of fourth-graders. He was killed afterwards.


And he was barricaded inside for an hour .... while his victims bled out.

Apparently not everyone with a gun is Rambo.
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Post 27 May 2022, 10:14 am

Even more chilling, when the cops did get to the door, one told people to call for help. A girl did. The shooter killed her.

The Keystones could have handled it better. If cops can't stop a mass killer, why on earth are they saying teachers should be armed or that a security guard on the door will help?
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Post 27 May 2022, 11:10 am

By the way, gun control laws do work in the US. Since 1989 California has passed quite a few gun control laws . From 1993-2017 the gun death rate went from #16 in the country to #44. Gun homicides deaths dropped 62%, twice as fast as the rest of the country.

Other data:

"Gun suicides fell nearly in half in California, compared to a  5%  drop nationally. Among minors, gun homicides dropped in California by  85%.  By 2017, minors were about half as likely to be shot to death in California compared to the rest of the nation.

The most recent  CDC fatal injury data  also shows that:

On average, kids 12 and under are nearly three times more likely to be murdered with guns in other states compared to California. California’s gun suicide rate is about half the national average. California’s gun homicide rate is about 20% below the rest of the country. California’s rate of fatal gun accidents is 40% below the national average

These aren’t just numbers or statistics: they’re people. Put another way: if California had the same gun death rate as the rest of the nation, the state would have lost nearly 14,000 more people to gunshot wounds from 2007–2017 alone. And if the national gun death rate was as low as California’s over this period, nearly 100,000 Americans who died from gun violence would have survived instead."

Unrestrained gun worship...is very, very costly.




https://giffords.org/press-release/2019 ... -gun-laws/

https://calmatters.org/explainers/calif ... a09dd2cf57

https://www.latimes.com/politics/newsle ... l-politics