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Post 18 Jul 2020, 8:52 am

Trend line in South Dakota
https://doh.sd.gov/news/Coronavirus.aspx#SD

A spike in May, and dropped since...

An employee should not have personal mask wearing prohibited if they so choose.

Your examples of enlightenment (Seat belts and helmets) are personal choices that do not affect others. I agree with you.

As to choices being difficult... You are right. Most important choices are plagued with difficult decisions to make. Time to adult up and make the choices that are required of adulting.
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Post 19 Jul 2020, 12:49 pm

Some disturbing evidence that the virus could cause long-lasting brain damage. Maybe 30-50% of hosiptalized patients have some neurological symptoms (with varying severity). There was a study in Brain from a British hospital examining 43 Covid 19 patients referred for neurological consultations and they found 10 had temporary brain dysfunction, 12 had brain inflammation, 8 had evidence of strokes, and 8 had nerve damage. The study included some with only minor symptoms.

It is noteworthy that with some people (not talking about the study here) the only symptom they have is something neurological like confusion

There is controversy in the scientific community as to whether the Spanish Flyly caused an epidemic in the 1920s of encephalitis lethargica (sleeping sickness or EL) which is a severe brain disorder estimated to have been contracted by about 5 million people during that epidemic. The Spanish Flu and EL did appear somewhat contemporaneously but it is difficult to prove a causal link.

No one has a firm handle on what percentage of people getting Covid have brain damage but it is something to be concerned about, particularly given the possibility that there may have been a significant number of people in past flu epidemics who suffered some type of brain damage.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/08/health/c ... _expansion

https://academic.oup.com/brain/article/ ... chresult=1

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/2020 ... -infection
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Post 20 Jul 2020, 7:25 am

bbauska wrote:Trend line in South Dakota
https://doh.sd.gov/news/Coronavirus.aspx#SD

A spike in May, and dropped since...

An employee should not have personal mask wearing prohibited if they so choose.

Your examples of enlightenment (Seat belts and helmets) are personal choices that do not affect others. I agree with you.

As to choices being difficult... You are right. Most important choices are plagued with difficult decisions to make. Time to adult up and make the choices that are required of adulting.


I often agree with BBauska, but not this time. It is rude to not wear a mask. It says I don't care about anyone else. More than that it is harmful to others. I think passive smoke is a good example. If you breathe smoke into other people, their health deteriorates. That's why smoking isn't allowed indoors. However, Covid-19 is a million times worse as you can actually kill someone else by not wearing a mask.
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Post 04 Sep 2020, 8:06 pm

If you can think it...it might be possible.

Back on March 18 I wrote:

"If it takes 12-18 months for a vaccine and the virus does not go away..we're not going to hibernate for that long, are we? The economy will be in shambles. So I started thinking about testing and whether massive testing would be the answer. Like if you could test everyone every day, certify they are ok so they can go out (maybe you could have scanners people would check into with their phones when they enter a building--if you have a negative test you can go in ). I just heard that an Orange County lab got processing down to an hour. I know this is an absurd, impossible idea, but maybe someone could figure how to do this. Or a self-test you could do at home, the results that are immediately sent out to a processing place. You could log in on video to make sure it's done correctly and the result verified. Something."

Well...that something may be possible now.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/04/opinions ... index.html

Even if a vaccine does get developed we still have to be ready for the next pandemic. And developing a system where we can quickly develop self-tests that can be done at home and massively distributed may enable us to deal far more effectively with the next virus.
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Post 05 Sep 2020, 8:39 am

Testing on this basis would work extremely well in Germany . Well in any nation with a well organized public health system, free at point of service health care delivery system, and a reasonably compliant populace.

Think of the problems that the US would encounter. 1) Who pays for the tests? 2) Who administers the tests? 3) Who versifies that the person has been tested so they can attend school or work? 4) Are there penalties for fraudulently claiming to have been tested? 5) Will it be declared unconstitutional to force someone to provide test results to a school or place of work before allowing a person access?
6) Can a round of testing covering 90% of the populace be accomplished in a reasonably brief time period?

Remember this kind of testing says "I don't have proteins from the Covid 19 virus present in my system at the time of testing." You may have the virus but it hasn't been activated in the body yet. Or you may walk out the door and be exposed to the virus almost immediately ....It doesn't mean one is immune.... You still have to worry about the non-compliant spreaders....without their masks.
Then get ready for the potential for a cost boondoggle.... As people find Germany or Canada is buying the tests at 25% the cost Americans are ... (Bound to happen. Just bound to. Especially if Jared is put in charge.)

More rapid testing has been accomplished in every other nation, even with the lab based testing... Combined with contact tracing and isolation protocols Covid has spread much much slower in these places There's no question that even faster testing would help, but if not combined with contact tracing and isolation ... won't be as effective as you'd hope.
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Post 05 Sep 2020, 9:28 am

Ray Jay wrote:. It is rude to not wear a mask. It says I don't care about anyone else. More than that it is harmful to others. I think passive smoke is a good example. If you breathe smoke into other people, their health deteriorates. That's why smoking isn't allowed indoors. However, Covid-19 is a million times worse as you can actually kill someone else by not wearing a mask.


It shouldn't have to be said: don't kill someone, wear a mask!
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Post 05 Sep 2020, 2:44 pm

Well, Ricky, as long as Trump is in there we just gotta pray for a vaccine. There will be no real federal effort to deal with this thing while he's in "charge"...

By the way...did y'all see what the chump--in--chief said about the military, calling them "losers" if they got killed or captured and "suckers" for joining up in the first place when there was no financial gain in it. The man...is a cretin.
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Post 06 Sep 2020, 1:10 pm

geojanes wrote:
Ray Jay wrote:. It is rude to not wear a mask. It says I don't care about anyone else. More than that it is harmful to others. I think passive smoke is a good example. If you breathe smoke into other people, their health deteriorates. That's why smoking isn't allowed indoors. However, Covid-19 is a million times worse as you can actually kill someone else by not wearing a mask.


It shouldn't have to be said: don't kill someone, wear a mask!


Maybe this will help: in WWII the cities on the east coast were "blacked-out." It wasn't because of risk of bombing, it was because the lights of the city could create a silhouette of a ship that a passing U-boat might be able to see. While large amounts of shipping and lives were lost in the Atlantic, not much was lost off the coast where the blackout might make a difference. Some people might argue that such behavior infringed on the rights of individuals to use their own electric lights that they paid for. The risk was small, and in America we had rights.

But most of those folks were born well after WWII because the blackout was remarkably consistent.

- Don't let the Nazi's sink a ship. Turn off the lights and do your part to defeat the Nazis.

- Don't let the virus harm you, your neighbors and your family. Wear a mask and do your part to defeat the virus.
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Post 06 Sep 2020, 8:17 pm

A history note: at the start, when America just entered the war, there was no blackout and German U-boats had a field day. The British were astonished that we did not black out the cities early on. BUT we learned. There was not ideology to interfere with a common-sense solution. Now there is.
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Post 06 Sep 2020, 8:43 pm

I do recall my dad saying he saw freighters sinking off of the coast early in the war. He was 12 at the time. He lived near Newburyport, MA. I start to wonder about my memory or his though...
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Post 07 Sep 2020, 8:28 am

http://www.usmm.org/shipsunkdamaged.html

175 sunk on the East Coast
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Post 07 Sep 2020, 9:58 am

The major reason that so many American ships were sunk on the Atlantic seaboard in the months after finally declaring war came down to one man. CNO Admiral Ernest J. King.Commander of the US navy.
He refused to use the convoy tactics employed by the UK and Canada to protect merchant vessels. Mostly because "It wasn't an American invention".
At the time the Germans were sinking unescorted merchant vessels, silhouetted in fully lit American coastal communities, escorted convoys from the Caribbean to Halifax went unscathed.
Often convoys would leave the UK escorted and - upon entering the US command zone, be left unprotected and end up with significant losses. It was not until May 1942 that King marshaled resources—small cutters and private vessels that he had previously scorned—to establish a day-and-night interlocking convoy system running from Newport, Rhode Island, to Key West, Florida.
It should be noted however, that one other reason was that protection of the seaboard commerce was a navy duty, and the Army refused to release planes to King that could have been very useful in patrolling the area. The black out orders,were resisted by state and city officials and no one was willing to make the order for black outs because it was too "political".

Kind of a microcosm of dysfunction and incompetence , eventually overcome by politically willful action at the national level.
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Post 08 Sep 2020, 7:35 am

rickyp wrote:Kind of a microcosm of dysfunction and incompetence , eventually overcome by politically willful action at the national level.


Thanks for the education guys, should Google more and use my memory less.

So how about it Brad, "Black-out Covid-19! Do your part and wear a mask!"
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Post 09 Sep 2020, 8:49 am

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Trend line in South Dakota

623 new cases on August 27. (one day)
Probably All because of one event.
https://www.google.ca/search?sxsrf=ALeKk011xvdbIqcbScKXw06-pTHCtZJ3Ng%3A1599666124893&ei=zPdYX52LNorp_QaZr4SwDg&q=cases+of+covid+in+south+dakota&oq=cases+of+covid+in+south+dakota&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQAzICCAAyBggAEBYQHjoHCCMQ6gIQJzoHCC4Q6gIQJzoECCMQJzoHCAAQsQMQQzoICAAQkQIQiwM6BwgAEEMQiwM6CggAELEDEEMQiwM6CwguELEDEMcBEKMCOgsIABCxAxCRAhCLAzoLCAAQsQMQgwEQkQI6BAgAEEM6EAgAELEDEIMBEBQQhwIQiwM6CAgAELEDEIsDOg0IABCxAxAUEIcCEIsDOgsIABCxAxCDARCLAzoFCAAQiwM6BQgAELEDOggIABCxAxCRAjoHCAAQFBCHAjoICAAQsQMQgwE6CggAELEDEBQQhwJQxhtYj2Ngt21oAnAAeACAAZEBiAHMFZIBBDI3LjSYAQCgAQGqAQdnd3Mtd2l6sAEKuAECwAEB&sclient=psy-ab&ved=0ahUKEwidoYjZtNzrAhWKdN8KHZkXAeYQ4dUDCA0&uact=5



The Sturgis Motorcycle Rally held in South Dakota last month may have caused more than 250,000 new coronavirus cases, according to an economic study focused on the public health costs of “superspreading” events.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/sturgis-rally-may-have-caused-250-000-new-coronavirus-cases-n1239577

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavir ... -1.5075117
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Post 09 Sep 2020, 9:27 am

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Well, Ricky, as long as Trump is in there we just gotta pray for a vaccine. There will be no real federal effort to deal with this thing while he's in "charge"...


"Remdesivir was developed with an estimated $70 million in federal funding, and Gilead relied on key scientific contributions from government scientists," the congresswomen wrote.

Data presented by Gilead Sciences to the US Food and Drug Administration does not show that remdesivir saves lives. Rather, it shows that the drug shortens hospitals stays, on average, from 15 days to 11 days for patients with severe Covid-19. The FDA gave Gilead emergency use authorization for remdesivir in May based on that data.
The drug costs $2,340 for a five-day course of treatment, and US hospitals don't purchase it directly the way they do other drugs. Because there isn't enough to go around, HHS arranges for remdesivir to be shipped regularly to hospitals

During the coronavirus surge in Texas this summer, Dr. Thomas Patterson said he only had enough of the anti-viral drug remdesivir for about a third of his patients, and was forced to pick and choose who would get the only drug authorized in the United States to treat Covid-19.

Meanwhile, Dr. Ahmedul Kabir in Bangladesh has plenty.
"We have no shortage of remdesivir in our hospitals," said Kabir, a professor of medicine at Dhaka Medical College. "Bangladesh is a third world country, and we have sufficient amounts. It's really surprising that the US doesn't. There should be plenty of remdesivir there.
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The system in the US is designed to benefit Big Pharma not citizens.
This is an example of how it handcuffs anyone. Short term It would take top down action from a committed President to unlock the problem.And long term; a basic change to the health care system.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/09/health/c ... index.html