I wish I could 'tag' some of you in this post. I'm looking at Archduke, Tom, Machiavelli, and anyone else who considers himself a "centrist" republican, or whatever it is you call yourselves.

Gary Johnson seems to be your guy. Why not him?

Honestly, I don't know that much about him but what I do makes me think he doesn't have a snowball's chance. He has been out of politics too long (left office in 2003) so I don't think he is going to be able to raise the money needed.

Well who does at this point? I'm of the mind that nobody will beat Obama--particularly because the neocons love him.

I just looked at him as somebody I thought you could vote for. He's pretty libertarian, not a fed hawk, and wouldn't close Gitmo. I also think he's very well spoken. Did you see the debate?

I did not see the Debate. I believe it was out of the house for some reason so couldn't watch it.

In another topic (I forget which one), I said I thought the nomination race is going to boil down to Pawlenty, Huntsman, Romney and Daniels. I could probably vote for any of them and I think any one of them can beat Obama.

I am curious as to why you think the Neocon's love Obama. Most polls show him with staggering unfavorables among Republicans and Independants.

I don't know who Huntsman and Daniels are (assuming Keon isn't running for president, but his name has no 's')

I only watched the debate on youtube after it popped up for me and curiosity got the better of me.

As for neocons loving obama, I thought that was a well known fact. But they do. Think about it. Obama is even more Trotsky than Bush! But here

Guapo wrote:I don't know who Huntsman and Daniels are

Seriously? Wow, you definitely haven't been paying attention to the Republican Presidential race.
Huntsman is basically Romeny, i.e. wealthy, good looking, former Governor and Mormon, w/o the troubling healthcare bill or flip flop on social issues. Former governor of Utah. Former senior executive in the family multi-national. Former U.S. Trade Representative under Bush the Younger. Former Ambassador to Singapore under Bush the Elder and just resigned as Ambassador to China. Speaks fluent Mandarin Chinese.

Mitch Daniels is the current Governor of Indiana. Former Chief of Staff to Senator Dick Luger, Former Executive Director of the NRSC, Former Director of the CBO under Bush the Younger. Former Senior Executive with Eli Lilley. The biggest thing he says is that our fiscal situation is so bad that we need to call a truce on the social issues.

Both are set to announce whether they will run or not in the next couple of weeks. I expect them both to say yes.

Guapo wrote:As for neocons loving obama, I thought that was a well known fact. But they do. Think about it. Obama is even more Trotsky than Bush! But here

Dude that article is 4 years old (April 30, 2007). You can pretty much kiss that good bye. Obama's current favorables among Republicans is in the low 20's and among Independents is in the mid to high 30's.

NeoCons, he's talking about Darth Vader Republicans like Bill Kristol, not the run of the mill ones.

http://dailycaller.com/2011/03/30/bill- ... z1LuQNMeR5

It’s not an endorsement Barack Obama probably expected — or wanted — but Weekly Standard editor Bill Kristol gave the president high marks for his recent foreign policy gestures.

In his “You’ve come a long way, baby” post Monday night, Kristol praised Obama for his address to the American people about the action he took against Libyan dictator Muammar Gaddafi. On Wednesday’s “Red Eye” on the Fox News Channel, Kristol took things a step further and declared Obama “a born-again neo-con.”

Gah! I gotta pay more attention to my postings. I had a post open in my window at work but never submitted it. Anyway, Pigmalia (err, neal) has it right. When I say Neocons, I'm talking about a specific group. However, a lot of run-of-the-mill republicans follow the neocons for the most part.

But I haven't been following anything really closely. Even still, if I don't know who they were (I recall Mitch Daniels' name now that you mention it), the majority of voters won't either. I'll liken them to Duncan Hunter and the former Gov of Wisconsin (see, i can't remember his name). They are popular with insiders and those in the know, but not to your average boob.

I would be willing to wager that Ron Paul doubles the votes of the guys you mention.

But Gary Johnson is worth a look if you're a libertarian leaning republican.

Guapo wrote:I would be willing to wager that Ron Paul doubles the votes of the guys you mention.

I'll take that bet. What are the stakes?

How about a $25 or $50 gift card to a restaurant the other likes. If that's too high, we can work something out.

Guapo wrote:How about a $25 or $50 gift card to a restaurant the other likes. If that's too high, we can work something out.

Let's do $50 so I can take my wife. .

What are the terms. Ron Paul gets double the percentage of vote of both as individuals or both combined, i.e. Huntsmans gets 3% and Daniels gets 4% does Paul have to get 6%, 8% or 14%? And is it of the total percentage of the entire election process or just one state's vote?

Good to see a bet going. Also you two may want to consider addressing if both Daniels and Huntsman drop out. As I imagine unlike other Republicans Ron Paul will stay in the race until the end of the Republican nomination process, whereas most others will drop out to give momentum to others.

NA - 'neocons' comes across as some kind of blanket word for 'people I don't like' as opposed to an actual defined label for a distinct group of people. You sound like a deranged hard left conspiracy nut who claims that a shadowy group of 'neocons' are able to decide the votes of a hundred million Americans.

50 works for me. Let's do an average (or total) of the two. so if A gets 3% and B gts 8%, we're looking at 11%. In your example, it would be 7%. Does that work for you?

Danivon, what are you basing that on? NA was clarifying who that group is specifically. That, to me, sounds like the opposite of your characterization.

Yes, "Darth Vader Republicans" was so helpful. So it's "not run of the mill" Republicans, but the ones who go around building Death Stars for Sith Lords?

Apart from the one guy named (Bill Kristol), it's not too specific, really. I have doubts as to whether Kristol will actually endorse Obama for re-election, as opposed to supporting one of his actions in government. Do you want to lay a wager on whether he does or not?