http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/05/travel/muslim-flight-attendant-feat/

Here is a woman who was placed on administrative leave because of her religious beliefs. It is not a government position, and she is refusing to serve the public because of her religious beliefs.

Does anyone have a problem with this?

Serving alcohol is part of the job description of a flight attendant..

I do hope we're not going to work our way back to gay bakers again, we've done that subject to death I feel.

Sassenach wrote:Serving alcohol is part of the job description of a flight attendant..

I do hope we're not going to work our way back to gay bakers again, we've done that subject to death I feel.

Good on you. Your position is standard. I appreciate that.

If a person's religion prevents them from doing their job then that is a job they cannot do. I am assuming that her religion is more important to her than that particular job, so she should get a job her religion allows her to do. This is even more clear than the baker analysis.

Not to some, I am sure you can agree.

There really isn't a dilemma here. If you've ever flown then you know that they serve alcohol on commercial flights. If you have a problem with serving alcohol (and there's no reason why she should, since the Koran only forbids muslims from drinking it, not selling it to others) then you shouldn't have applied for the job in the first place. If you initially didn't have a problem with serving alcohol but developed one as your religious convictions grew more intense then it's you that's changed and not the job and your employer shouldn't be expected to have to accommodate you.

Sassenach wrote:There really isn't a dilemma here. If you've ever flown then you know that they serve alcohol on commercial flights. If you have a problem with serving alcohol (and there's no reason why she should, since the Koran only forbids muslims from drinking it, not selling it to others) then you shouldn't have applied for the job in the first place. If you initially didn't have a problem with serving alcohol but developed one as your religious convictions grew more intense then it's you that's changed and not the job and your employer shouldn't be expected to have to accommodate you.

Agreed. I was wanting to hear RickyP's view. He always has such interesting takes.

bbauska wrote:http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/05/travel/muslim-flight-attendant-feat/

Here is a woman who was placed on administrative leave because of her religious beliefs. It is not a government position, and she is refusing to serve the public because of her religious beliefs.

Does anyone have a problem with this?

Nope. The job involves selling alcohol. If you don't want to, don't do the job.

danivon wrote:

bbauska wrote:http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/05/travel/muslim-flight-attendant-feat/

Here is a woman who was placed on administrative leave because of her religious beliefs. It is not a government position, and she is refusing to serve the public because of her religious beliefs.

Does anyone have a problem with this?

Nope. The job involves selling alcohol. If you don't want to, don't do the job.

Yeah, the same deal as this Davis character in Kentucky who is the County Clerk in charge of issuing marriage licenses (as I understand). Her hypocrisy is obvious and appalling. She's been effectively getting paid to not do her publicly elected job. If she REALLY had the strength of her convictions, if she REALLY had a strong religious position, she would resign from her job, because it stands in opposition to her beliefs (at least some of it).

georgeatkins wrote:

danivon wrote:

bbauska wrote:http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/05/travel/muslim-flight-attendant-feat/

Here is a woman who was placed on administrative leave because of her religious beliefs. It is not a government position, and she is refusing to serve the public because of her religious beliefs.

Does anyone have a problem with this?

Nope. The job involves selling alcohol. If you don't want to, don't do the job.

Yeah, the same deal as this Davis character in Kentucky who is the County Clerk in charge of issuing marriage licenses (as I understand). Her hypocrisy is obvious and appalling. She's been effectively getting paid to not do her publicly elected job. If she REALLY had the strength of her convictions, if she REALLY had a strong religious position, she would resign from her job, because it stands in opposition to her beliefs (at least some of it).

I agree completely. I would have resigned as well.

bbauska

Agreed. I was wanting to hear RickyP's view

I agree with Sass.,

You could have agreed with me, too!

Is there any place for people not doing a job because of religious reasons? I bring to light the conscience clause laws in place now. Since that is the law should that be followed as well?

There is a place, for sure - but absolutism is what causes the problem.

danivon wrote:There is a place, for sure - but absolutism is what causes the problem.

What example do you have to help me understand?

bbauska wrote:

danivon wrote:There is a place, for sure - but absolutism is what causes the problem.

What example do you have to help me understand?

I think we are all in agreement here: If you are in a job that conflicts with your religious preferences, you ask to have your job redefined or leave the job. Whether you came into the job with those convictions or acquired them post factum, if the conflict arises, it is your duty to either convince the employer to revise your job duties or to resign your post.

It is especially damning to be in the position of a publicly elected office and refuse to do the job you were elected to do (and still get paid) because some part of it now conflicts with your personal/religious convictions.