But it's in the UK, not the USA.

Here's a comparison:

We have a national organisation dedicated to investigating the police. And we are now it seems holding a check to make sure it's doing the job properly in regard to deaths in police custody. In an average year there are about 14 such deaths. The year to April 2015 saw 17.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... ce-custody

In the USA, the average is about 700 a year (at least it was consistently that between 2003 and 2009 - http://journalistsresource.org/studies/ ... ted-states). Pro-rated by population with the UK, that is about 10 times our rate.

So where is your national inquiry?

danivon wrote:But it's in the UK, not the USA.

Here's a comparison:

We have a national organisation dedicated to investigating the police. And we are now it seems holding a check to make sure it's doing the job properly in regard to deaths in police custody. In an average year there are about 14 such deaths. The year to April 2015 saw 17.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... ce-custody

In the USA, the average is about 700 a year (at least it was consistently that between 2003 and 2009 - http://journalistsresource.org/studies/ ... ted-states). Pro-rated by population with the UK, that is about 10 times our rate.

So where is your national inquiry?

Ask your President.

Doctor Fate wrote:

danivon wrote:But it's in the UK, not the USA.

Here's a comparison:

We have a national organisation dedicated to investigating the police. And we are now it seems holding a check to make sure it's doing the job properly in regard to deaths in police custody. In an average year there are about 14 such deaths. The year to April 2015 saw 17.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... ce-custody

In the USA, the average is about 700 a year (at least it was consistently that between 2003 and 2009 - http://journalistsresource.org/studies/ ... ted-states). Pro-rated by population with the UK, that is about 10 times our rate.

So where is your national inquiry?

Ask your President.

A) he is not my President. He is yours, whether you voted for him or not.
B) don't Congress have any powers to launch inquiries into such matters? If so, your answer is doubly weak and evasive. Quelle surprise

I just hope this doesn't turn into yet another whitewash. I have no expectations though. The police have zero interest in accepting responsibility for their actions and generally they're allowed to get away with it. Delay is a common tactic. Just ask the families of Ian Tomlinson or Jean Charles de Menezes about that kind of thing. After delay you have tame coroners, utterly fictitious media briefings and serving police officers posing as ordinary members of the public to make false statements exonerating officers. All of these things have been seen in recent cases of police misconduct without anybody facing the consequences. I very much doubt that Therese May's inquiry will make any difference whatsoever.

If we are talking to the matter in Texas, then the policeman was wrong for his actions. There is some culpability as the driver of the stopped car was being non-responsive and not following the simple request to put out a cigarette.

Considering the lack of response you can generate, Danivon; I would be careful calling ANY kettle ANY color.

bbauska wrote:If we are talking to the matter in Texas, then the policeman was wrong for his actions. There is some culpability as the driver of the stopped car was being non-responsive and not following the simple request to put out a cigarette.

Considering the lack of response you can generate, Danivon; I would be careful calling ANY kettle ANY color.

huh? This is not about one case, but rather about the hundreds of cases every year. Also I was prompted by events in the UK, with an inquiry announced today by our Home Secretary, which led me to compare at national levels.

Like Sass I have some doubts as to how effective such an inquiry will be - the same Home Secretary has massively botched the setting up of an enquiry into historical sexual abuse of children by public employees and establishment figures, so it is over a year late starting.

But at least we have got an independent police complaints commission (flawed as it is) and some level of national scrutiny of it.

OK, many cases. I have said it before.

COMPLY WITH THE POLICE. THEY DON"T SHOOT YOU WHEN YOU DO.

Please show me a case where the policeman killed a person being arrested while complying.

That little kid in Cleveland who got shot with a toy gun in a few seconds comes to mind...

In any case, what kind of motto is that for a country built on liberty, Brad? Someone puts on a uniform and they get to execute people who don't immediately comply with their orders? If you didn't mean that, and I know that you don't, then let's stop putting all on the blame on people getting shot because they did not comply with the police (by the way, I am certain that I can find quite a few cases where someone was shot not because of compliance issues but because the police mistakenly thought the person had a gun).

danivon wrote:

Ask your President.

A) he is not my President. He is yours, whether you voted for him or not.
B) don't Congress have any powers to launch inquiries into such matters? If so, your answer is doubly weak and evasive. Quelle surprise

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I'm not being evasive. It's a dumb question. DOJ, under the AG, who takes orders from the scoundrel in the White House, can launch an investigation any time it pleases.

Email: scoundrel@whitehouse.gov

I'm sure either he or one of his staff of liars will get back to you.

freeman3 wrote:That little kid in Cleveland who got shot with a toy gun in a few seconds comes to mind...

". . . in police custody."

No.

In any case, what kind of motto is that for a country built on liberty, Brad? Someone puts on a uniform and they get to execute people who don't immediately comply with their orders?

She was not "executed." She hung herself (apparently).

If you want to get into it, get into it.

If you didn't mean that, and I know that you don't, then let's stop putting all on the blame on people getting shot because they did not comply with the police (by the way, I am certain that I can find quite a few cases where someone was shot not because of compliance issues but because the police mistakenly thought the person had a gun).

And, I'm equally certain I can find situations where "folks" did not comply and killed the officer(s).

Now, about the actual topic of the forum. DOJ does investigations into prison and jail systems fairly frequently. If you want a "national" investigation, that's where it would start. Talk to the underminer-of-the-union.

I am responding strictly to Brad's statement that people don't get shot when they comply. I am not getting into particular cases.

As for President Obama...are you renouncing your US citizenship?

freeman3 wrote:That little kid in Cleveland who got shot with a toy gun in a few seconds comes to mind...

In any case, what kind of motto is that for a country built on liberty, Brad? Someone puts on a uniform and they get to execute people who don't immediately comply with their orders? If you didn't mean that, and I know that you don't, then let's stop putting all on the blame on people getting shot because they did not comply with the police (by the way, I am certain that I can find quite a few cases where someone was shot not because of compliance issues but because the police mistakenly thought the person had a gun).

I do not put all the blame on the person shot. I even said the cop did something wrong in TX.

No that I am done with my dinner (Thank you, honey!), I can answer more clearly. It is not a motto. It is a fact. Did he point a toy that looked a great deal like a real gun at officers?

Saying that complying with officers is against a country with liberty is quite a reach.

Yes or No. Does complying with police officers demands help or hinder your chances of surviving a traffic stop? You are a lawyer, Freeman. You are in the know. Does it help or hinder?

bbauska wrote:OK, many cases. I have said it before.

COMPLY WITH THE POLICE. THEY DON"T SHOOT YOU WHEN YOU DO.

Please show me a case where the policeman killed a person being arrested while complying.

How about two?

Cop tells man to take hands out his pants. Man does, is shot dead.
http://photographyisnotacrime.com/2014/ ... g-demands/

Cop tells driver to produce his license. Driver reaches for license. Is shot dead.
http://www.salon.com/2014/09/26/watch_a ... s_license/

Quite apart from the question of whether it is a good idea to have a society in fear of government employees.