http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulletproof_Stockings

I have never heard of this group. Is this acceptable to be a female only audience allowed?

I can live with it...

Sassenach wrote:I can live with it...

Interesting... Why this but not other things of discrimination?

bbauska wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulletproof_Stockings

I have never heard of this group. Is this acceptable to be a female only audience allowed?

For the record, I don't have a problem with the discriminatory policy.

I seriously am not trying to trap anyone. I want to know if there is a difference in people's minds. It is a religious issue of the music provider to not sing to a segment of our our society. In my mind this is discrimination, but I am ok with it.

Seriously, What do you think? Is it the same thing?

I think the reason you're struggling to get any traction with this thread is because it's such a monumentally trivial issue that nobody gives a damn about. There are all kinds of social institutions that only cater for one gender. All of them by definition are disriminatory but not all of them are driven primarily by bigotry, in fact most are not. I don't care about the fact that I'm banned from Women's Institute meetings either. Neither do I really care that there are certain golf clubs that won't allow women to be members. I don't agree with their policy and probably wouldn't play at those clubs, but it's not really a big deal.

I know what you're doing here, Brad. This is not the same thing as the baker refusing to provide a cake to a gay couple. No one is feeling stigmatized or excluded. Maybe it is technically discrimination but it's trivial (as Sass says). Some people argue that discrimination without power is not even an issue (e .g a black restaurant discriminating against white diners ). I don 't agree with that statement but there is no doubt that groups with power that discriminate are far more of a concern than groups without power. (btw I don't agree that a golf club discriminating against women is trivial--membership in golf clubs are indicators of status sometimes and excluding women can be significant)

What if an Aryan Supremacy rock group would not allow minorities into their concerts. I am guessing none of us would be comfortable with that. Why would that not be ok, Brad ?

I am NOT trying to prove a point. I wanted to see if there was a difference in your views. Apparently there is, and you explained it.

Thank you.

Personally, I see no difference, as exclusion is exclusion. I guess the difference is that I would treat everyone by the same standard.

To answer the hyperbolic question, I would not have a problem with an Aryan Nation band prohibiting minorities, if that is what they "jack-assedly" choose to do.

Do you agree with the 1964 Civil Rights Bill that required public accomodations not to discriminate, Brad? As far I can tell you would rather the government not tell anyone who they should have to do business with. That might work for white males but for minorities (not just racial minorities but any group of people that a majority can discriminate against for one reason or another) it does not work so well...
The 1964 laws made Jim Crow laws (no blacks allowed, black water fountains, separate bathrooms) illegal. It may seem "fair" that all types of discrimination should be looked at the same way, but the major negative impact is when a powerless minority group gets discriminated against.

bbauska wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulletproof_Stockings

I have never heard of this group. Is this acceptable to be a female only audience allowed?

It seems to be similar to a ban on men living in convents.

danivon wrote:

bbauska wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulletproof_Stockings

I have never heard of this group. Is this acceptable to be a female only audience allowed?

It seems to be similar to a ban on men living in convents.

Except men living in convents is not a business enterprise. I note your tongue in cheek response.

bbauska wrote:Except men living in convents is not a business enterprise. I note your tongue in cheek response.

Some convents run businesses.

Being in a band is not really a business, either. Sure, some people do it to make money and become famous. Others do it to have fun and hopefully not lose too much cash in the process.

bbauska wrote:

Sassenach wrote:I can live with it...

Interesting... Why this but not other things of discrimination?

But this is a religious thing.

In concert, the band is known for adhering to the rabbinic prohibition of kol isha by only admitting women to their live shows.

People are always doing things that seem crazy to the secular eye because of religious beliefs. If you want to learn more about how the ultra orthodox and their odd behavior just read: you'll see some much stranger stuff.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tzniut

geojanes wrote:

bbauska wrote:

Sassenach wrote:I can live with it...

Interesting... Why this but not other things of discrimination?

But this is a religious thing.

In concert, the band is known for adhering to the rabbinic prohibition of kol isha by only admitting women to their live shows.

People are always doing things that seem crazy to the secular eye because of religious beliefs. If you want to learn more about how the ultra orthodox and their odd behavior just read: you'll see some much stranger stuff.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tzniut

What I do object to is when this kind of thing seeps into the public space. An example is that in some places in Israel where the Orthodox dominate, buses were segregated so that men and women do not have to sit together (and women get to sit at the back, which reminds me of something else...). In 2011 it was successfully challenged in court and had to be changed. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/09/world ... .html?_r=0

For a rock show in a private venue, it is marginal, and I won't say I am comfortable with it, but having see their reasons for it I don't have a big issue with it. If it bugs you so much that you can't get into one of their shows, bbauska, you can always buy their EP, watch on YouTube or elsewhere and there's no gender restrictions.