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- dag hammarsjkold
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11 Oct 2013, 5:52 pm
Remember the OBAMA LANDSLIDE post and volleys? This is what I wrote back then...and yes, I have the gift of prophecy:
I miss Redscape. Wonderful discussion.
I must say the effort to defend my president for his remarks concerning the plant in Janesville are reminiscent of 13th century scholasticism. My president said what he said at the time because it was convenient for him to do so. He made promises. He didn't keep them. Who cares? It's disappointing but this is what ALL politicians do, especially when they are trying to win an election. Didn't Blip Romney say he's going to create 12 million jobs recently? Now C'Mon Blip. 12 million? Wow! He said this or something similar because right now it's convenient for him to say such a thing. They ALL lie gentlemen. ALL of them. Get over the lies. It's part of the job.
Remember when my president said he was going to change Washington DC? That things would no longer be done the same way in DC if he were to be elected? Remember that one? Then what does he do? He chooses Joe Lidden as VP? THE quintessential DC operative. Is someone kidding me? But wait there's more....shortly after he turns around and gives Hillary the nod for Secretary of State? If it weren't so comical it would be downright sad. Wait, it is sad.
We do NOT elect Presidents in this country because of what they say gentlemen. We elect Presidents based on how they say what they say and, as I've stated earlier, how they look. Ryan looks good. If Blip really turns out to be a blip on the radar screen of history, and I think he will, the same will not hold true for Ryan.
We will see much more of this young GOP padawan in the future.
Generally brothers I would tell you never trust a man who quotes himself but today I spotted a news clip of Ryan. I can't remember if it was on the front page of the NY Times or where but there he was photobombing a piece on the Repubs working hard to end the current impasse.
I'm telling you, this guy is the great white hope for the GOP. I have a feeling we are going to see this guy photobombing everything over the next few months. I would like to think that there are at least one or two GOP types with half a brain who are already coaching this lad for what surely will be his rise to the top of the candidate hopefulls.
I swear all any of these parties would need to do in order to be successful would be to eavesdrop in on a halfway decent Redscape thread (the conspiracist in me thinks they do already).
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- freeman3
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11 Oct 2013, 11:02 pm
Next time he needs to come up with a better explanation for his fondness of Ayn Rand...It gets folks on social security or Medicare a little nervous when someone who admires the philosophy of Ayn Rand becomes president
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12 Oct 2013, 9:24 am
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Next time he needs to come up with a better explanation for his fondness of Ayn Rand...It gets folks on social security or Medicare a little nervous when someone who admires the philosophy of Ayn Rand becomes president
Not just these two things. Also, the ACA. Those getting benefits from the ACA (The uninsured and those that get subsdies or insurance premium refunds ...)will number some 30 to 40 million ... Maybe more.
And as people get used to its positive aspects they'll be hard to turn off. (Ted Cruz as much as admitted this in July.)
Plus the crash of 08 due to deregulation of the financial markets, and the recent and ongoing government shutdown has shed a light on what government actually does for people. Small government and lowering the cost of governemnt are always attractive concepts until someone gets down to talking specifics. And when you get into the weeds and actually explain to people what they will be losing....then it becomes a tougher sell.
Ryans budget back when was hailed as a conservative masterpiece back when ....look how fast it was buried when the details started to rock the electorate...
Dag I suspect Ryan is a one trick pony who's trick may not have much appeal anymore. Although he is the most presentable and appealing conservative out there, i'll give you that.
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- dag hammarsjkold
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12 Oct 2013, 9:29 pm
Freeman,
Howsabout choosing an avatar? I prefer to see who is doing the talking. I can't take it any more, choose!
Choose wisely, a good egg like you should have a good avatar and not Justin Beiber!
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12 Oct 2013, 11:33 pm
Alright, Dags, there you go...
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13 Oct 2013, 10:16 am
Considering Rynas actions lately, he's increasingly showing himself to be in the radical core that is driving the republican kamikaze movement.
Since negotiations to avert a national default on the debt have shifted from the House to the Senate, Republicans in the lower chamber are still hoping to use the talks as “leverage” to limit women’s access to contraception.
According to the Washington Post, in a private meeting with House Republicans Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) — who earlier this weak floated a compromise that would raise the debt ceiling in exchange for cuts to entitlement programs — railed against emerging Senate proposals and argued that the “House could not accept either a debt-limit bill or a government-funding measure that would delay the next fight until the new year”:
The Affordable Care Act stipulates that employers and insurers must provide no-cost contraception coverage as part of their health care plans and exempts churches and religious nonprofits that primarily employ people of the same faith from the requirement. In a compromise between Catholic groups and the White House, religiously affiliated colleges, universities, and hospitals that wish to avoid providing birth control can also opt out of offering the benefits, while their employees receive contraception coverage at no additional cost sharing directly from the insurer.
Republicans, however, are not satisfied with the accommodation and have tried to expand the so-called conscience clause, permitting any employer or insurance plan to exclude health services, no matter how essential, from coverage if they morally object to it.
http://thinkprogress.org/default/2013/1 ... h-control/
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13 Oct 2013, 2:22 pm
How often do losing Veep candidates go on to land the big one afterwards ? The only one I'm aware of was FDR. The only other one I can think of who even made it onto another Presidential ticket was Bob Dole, and he lost of course. I'm sure there will be one or two more, but clearly the odds are against.
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- dag hammarsjkold
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13 Oct 2013, 6:16 pm
Well done Freeman. Now when you argue a point you will carry far more respect and credibility! A fine choice I might add.
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13 Oct 2013, 6:22 pm
Add to his good looks, youth and swagger the fact that he is representing the far right and my prophecy is boosted all the more. No one in that crazy party can count on filling the GOP presidential slot unless they play ball with the Tea Party. Of course a whole lot of money helps. When them over and you're halfway there.
The scary thing is, for reasons I've outlined in detail before, if he does get the nod to run, he might just win.
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13 Oct 2013, 11:16 pm
Well, DF has the teetotaler guy drinking coffee and my avatar is drinking an unknown beverage...probably an adult beverage...Like Tom Hanks in Saving Private Ryan... I didn't realize an avatar would greatly enhance my respect and credibility...Seems unlikely...I can only explain your man crush on Ryan (whoa Nelly--I mean it only in a platonic way) by geographical affinity...Ryan is far-right, he is not a member of a poliitical family, he was on a losing ticket as a VP, and he has not been a governor or accomplished anything as a legislator. You would find it impossible to find a similar predecessor as president. He is basically unelectable, so the question is whether Republicans would nominate someone who has no chance to win.
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14 Oct 2013, 7:04 am
Ryan is far-right, he is not a member of a poliitical family, he was on a losing ticket as a VP, and he has not been a governor or accomplished anything as a legislator. You would find it impossible to find a similar predecessor as president.
are you serious?
*Obama was far left
*Obama was not a member of a political family
*Obama was not part of a losing VP ticket but that ride put a spotlight on Ryan much as Obama's Democratic Convention speech launched him into the limelight
*Obama was not a governor nor did he accomplish anything as a legislator
The two seem quite similar to me!
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14 Oct 2013, 7:20 am
This article certainly supports some of my ideas but there's not even a mention of Ryan so maybe my prophesy is overly ambitious.
In other words, yes, no one gets made without the blessing of the tea but no, it won't be Ryan. Still, the guy is showing up everywhere amidst the turmoil and I can't help but think this is intentional on his part.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/10/us/politics/republicans-use-shutdown-to-stake-positions-for-2016-bids.html?src=recg
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14 Oct 2013, 9:04 am
Yes, Tom, but Obama made a great speech at the Democratic Convention and he was a black politician that White America could somewhat tolerate. There was a unique appeal there. I don't think you can use Obama as a similar predecessor to Ryan and while you noted some similarities that does not make them similar. At the end of the day, he is too far-right and he won't be able to go far enough towards the center for a general election to win.
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14 Oct 2013, 10:37 am
dag
he scary thing is, for reasons I've outlined in detail before, if he does get the nod to run, he might just win.
Sure. If you ignore the fact he cleaves tightly to social issues that are unpopular. Especially with women voters. That his budget was a major problem for the Romney campaign,
And that the Tea Party, and the republicans in Congress are at historically low levels of polled support.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/30/politics/ ... -approval/And that Obama's popularity has actually ticked upwards since he's held fast on the government shutdown and the debt ceiling... And that polls indicate that republicans are wearing most of the blame for both ... As they should since they've rigged the rules of the House so that no one but the republican leadership can call for a clean vote on the issues...
And that he'd likely have to face Hillary who will dominate the women's vote, by at least 10 percentage points .... In return he'll keep promoting tougher laws on abortion and birth control....
Helluva candidate...
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14 Oct 2013, 10:50 am
I am not saying Ryan is exactly like Obama but when you said it would be impossible to find a similar predecessor as Obama, I pointed out how similar the two are. And your "He's too far Right" complaint, Obama was thought to be "too far left" by many as well and guess what, more Americans label themselves as conservative than do liberal. If you had to pick someone too far right or too far left, the guy on the right is sitting a little prettier (though the middle is no doubt where you want your candidate to be)
Not that I am touting Ryan as the next president or am I supporting him (at least not yet) or am I saying he will be/should be next Prez, but Ryan's situation is remarkably similar to Obama in his run up to the office.
(oh and Ricky, don't get too caught up in how Women just adore Hillary, I know far more that hate her than love her! it's not going to be as much of a slam dunk as you think you are using polling stats that will change a LOT when the field narrows. using this same logic, Obama had no chance when he started his run ...the polls they do change when the field slims itself down!)