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- freeman3
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24 Jul 2013, 12:53 am
The NY Times has examined how banks (which only recently were allowed to own commodities) can manipulate the price of commodities by buying a large percentage (and for example in the case of aluminum delay deliveries so as to increase the price) of the commodity and then cash in.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/21/busin ... d=all&_r=0Yes, Wall Street adding value to our economy by moving aluminum around a warehouse instead of say actually delivering the product to consumers...
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- danivon
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24 Jul 2013, 12:46 pm
They manipulated LIBOR rates, so why not commodity prices?
Are you some sort of communist for questioning this kind of thing?
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- geojanes
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01 Aug 2013, 6:00 am
danivon wrote:They manipulated LIBOR rates, so why not commodity prices?
The Times reports today that the regulators apparently read the paper and Goldman is now offering to change their ways:
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/01/business/under-scrutiny-goldman-offers-to-speed-metal-delivery.html?_r=0I'm sure management was shocked! Shocked! that this was happening.
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- danivon
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01 Aug 2013, 10:16 am
geojanes wrote:I'm sure management was shocked! Shocked! that this was happening.
Next week I am due to attend a training session at [bank] so that they can tell us how they are a really responsible and honest company and all that LIBOR stuff that they did is in the past and was done by a completely different set of people.
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- geojanes
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01 Aug 2013, 1:00 pm
danivon wrote:geojanes wrote:I'm sure management was shocked! Shocked! that this was happening.
Next week I am due to attend a training session at [bank] so that they can tell us how they are a really responsible and honest company and all that LIBOR stuff that they did is in the past and was done by a completely different set of people.
Oh, come on man, you can say Barclays. It's not a secret. Or are you talking about one that didn't admit their guilt. Yet.
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- danivon
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01 Aug 2013, 1:12 pm
geojanes wrote:Oh, come on man, you can say Barclays. It's not a secret. Or are you talking about one that didn't admit their guilt. Yet.
There were others, Barclays were just the ones to admit it first, realising that Bob Diamond and his casino-banking culture had to be ousted openly and publicly.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libor_scan ... stigationsThe Wall Street Journal reported in March 2011 that regulators were focusing on Bank of America Corp., Citigroup Inc. and UBS AG in their probe of Libor rate manipulation.[40] A year later, it was reported in February 2012 that the U.S. Department of Justice was conducting a criminal investigation into Libor abuse.[41] Among the abuses being investigated were the possibility that traders were in direct communication with bankers before the rates were set, thus allowing them an unprecedented amount of insider knowledge into global instruments.[42] In court documents, a trader from the Royal Bank of Scotland claimed that it was common practice among senior employees at his bank to make requests to the bank's rate setters as to the appropriate Libor rate, and that the bank also made on occasions rate requests for some hedge funds.[43] One trader's messages from Barclays Bank indicated that for each basis point (0.01%) that Libor was moved, those involved could net, “about a couple of million dollars.”[42]
The Canadian Competition Bureau was reported on 15 July 2012 to also be carrying out an investigation into price fixing by five banks of the yen denominated Libor rates. Court documents filed indicated that the Competition Bureau had been pursuing the matter since at least January 2011. The documents offered a detailed view of how and when the international banks allegedly colluded to fix the Libor rates. The information was based on a whistleblower who traded immunity from prosecution in exchange for turning on his fellow conspirators. In the court documents, a federal prosecutor for the bureau stated, “IRD (interest-rate derivatives) traders at the participant banks communicated with each other their desire to see a higher or lower yen LIBOR to aid their trading positions." The alleged participants were the Canadian branches of the Royal Bank of Scotland, HSBC, Deutsche Bank, JP Morgan Bank, and Citibank, as well as ICAP (Intercapital), an interdealer broker.[44]
UBS have also been fined, and many banks are facing governmental and civil action.
As of 1 July, I now work for [bank] so they may or may not be Barclays for the purposes of this discussion.