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Post 04 Sep 2012, 7:03 pm

This is a fascinating profile of the power behind the throne, Valerie Jarrett. I wonder if any liberal here would like to explain why she should get Secret Service protection 24/7?

If he loses, she will be a major part of the reason. She has consistently pushed him left.
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Post 05 Sep 2012, 4:38 am

She has had a major influence on this administration, and from my perspective it is unfortunate as I was hoping for a centrist. But I don't begrudge her SS protection. Why risk a senseless death?
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Post 05 Sep 2012, 7:50 am

Ray Jay wrote:She has had a major influence on this administration, and from my perspective it is unfortunate as I was hoping for a centrist. But I don't begrudge her SS protection. Why risk a senseless death?


It's fairly unprecedented. Is there a specific threat?

Other than in the immediate aftermath of 9/11, I don't know that anyone other than the President, VP, FLOTUS, and SLOTUS and their families get 24/7 Secret Service protection.

Ms. Jarrett seems to be President Obama's "liberal conscience." She will not "let" him stray back to the middle.
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Post 06 Sep 2012, 9:09 am

Doctor Fate wrote:It's fairly unprecedented. Is there a specific threat?


?????

Rudi Guiliani's girlfriend had 24/7 police protection. I used to live one block over, and even when she wasn't home, there was always a cop car in front of her building.

Absurd, for both people. But certainly not unprecedented.
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Post 06 Sep 2012, 9:15 am

geojanes wrote:
Doctor Fate wrote:It's fairly unprecedented. Is there a specific threat?


?????

Rudi Guiliani's girlfriend had 24/7 police protection. I used to live one block over, and even when she wasn't home, there was always a cop car in front of her building.

Absurd, for both people. But certainly not unprecedented.


Are you comparing the NYPD with the Secret Service?

Allegedly there were threats to hizoner's girlfriend. Are there threats against Ms. Jarrett? More than against Rove?
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Post 06 Sep 2012, 9:22 am

Sure. Local police serve the function of the secret service for local elected officials, or at least they do in NYC.

While I have no idea what the specific threats are, I doubt there were credible threats to Guliani's girlfriend. She had an apartment in a walk-up, people would talk to her, and when you're a public person that's annoying. Better to have bodyguards. Even better when someone else is paying for them.
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Post 06 Sep 2012, 10:08 am

geojanes wrote:Sure. Local police serve the function of the secret service for local elected officials, or at least they do in NYC.

While I have no idea what the specific threats are, I doubt there were credible threats to Guliani's girlfriend. She had an apartment in a walk-up, people would talk to her, and when you're a public person that's annoying. Better to have bodyguards. Even better when someone else is paying for them.


Right.

Valerie Jarrett.

Okay.
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Post 06 Sep 2012, 10:15 am

Just saying not only is this kind of thing not unprecedented as you asserted, it's becoming (become?) commonplace. It's usually not deserved, but it is certainly has precedence.
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Post 06 Sep 2012, 10:41 am

geojanes wrote:Just saying not only is this kind of thing not unprecedented as you asserted, it's becoming (become?) commonplace. It's usually not deserved, but it is certainly has precedence.


I don't think your comparison holds water. Giuliani was on the edge of the law unless there were documented threats.

In Ms. Jarrett's case, it would take an Executive Order:

Who is the Secret Service authorized to protect?

By law, the Secret Service is authorized to protect:

The president, the vice president, (or other individuals next in order of succession to the Office of the President), the president-elect and vice president-elect
The immediate families of the above individuals
Former presidents, their spouses, except when the spouse re-marries
Children of former presidents until age 16
Visiting heads of foreign states or governments and their spouses traveling with them, other distinguished foreign visitors to the United States, and official representatives of the United States performing special missions abroad
Major presidential and vice presidential candidates, and their spouses within 120 days of a general presidential election
Other individuals as designated per Executive Order of the President and
National Special Security Events, when designated as such by the Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security


So, she's more important than Geithner? Panetta?

It is "unprecedented" as a use of the Secret Service.
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Post 06 Sep 2012, 11:34 am

Why did Herman Cain get it last year (Cain campaign explains Secret Service protection)? - According to the list above, it was about 200 days early.

If there is a specific threat, they don't have to say. There is a reason it's called the 'secret service', guys. Of all the possible objections to her position, inlfuence, politics, etc, I can't see that getting secret service protection is the big issue, frankly.
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Post 06 Sep 2012, 11:59 am

danivon wrote:Why did Herman Cain get it last year (Cain campaign explains Secret Service protection)? - According to the list above, it was about 200 days early.

If there is a specific threat, they don't have to say. There is a reason it's called the 'secret service', guys. Of all the possible objections to her position, inlfuence, politics, etc, I can't see that getting secret service protection is the big issue, frankly.

Hey, if she has had physical attacks on her or those with her, then right you are.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/ ... story.html

Cain was a candidate for President and getting jostled, apparently.

On the other hand, if it's just because Valerie says so . . .

We don't know, but I think we should. 24/7 security outside the normal parameters. for such an extended period of time should be explained.
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Post 06 Sep 2012, 1:09 pm

Perhaps 'threat' does not mean what you think it means? There are threats other than 'physical attacks' - which is not really what Cain had, that was a media scrum whereas you make it out like they were intentionally punching him or something. But still, he asked for it and got it, even though he wasn't entitled by that list above. I expect other people (some you know, others you've never heard of) have been able to avail themselves of a secret service detail. There are all kinds of possible reasons, which anyone with a reasonable amount of imagination could perhaps come up with.

Anyway, do you get to be told about everything the secret service does and why? Can you possibly think of a reason why you wouldn't?

Sheesh, there's so much meat on that article and reading about her, and the right wing media and bloggers (and by some sheer coincidence, our dear own DF) jump on that aspect?

Seriously?
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Post 06 Sep 2012, 2:13 pm

Non-issue so far as I'm concerned. We seem to expend a lot of hot air here on trivia.
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Post 06 Sep 2012, 3:08 pm

Sassenach wrote:Non-issue so far as I'm concerned. We seem to expend a lot of hot air here on trivia.

DF's trying to throw some mud. He's coyly hinting that Jarrett gets SS so they can either run errands fror her or make her feel important or for some other non-essential reason. This imputes misuse of public funds etc. to Obama. It's sad that the right is so devoid of reasons they should be supported that they have to resort to nonsense like this. The effort that went into starting and continuing this thread could have been spent on something substantive.

(Of course the left does the same thing. I'm sure there must be some comparable threads in here that prove this otherwise unsupported allegation. :wink: )
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Post 06 Sep 2012, 7:38 pm

Yup, Constitution and its limits sure seem to be trivial.