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- Neal Anderth
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10 Aug 2012, 10:21 pm
I'm curious how excited some of our conservatives are about this development?
Despite the reams of Republicans on my FB friend list, I've not one time seen any of them post anything about interest in and/or admiration of Romney. So might this backfire in time to have a VP that is genuinely interesting to conservatives and thus upstaging the head of the ticket?
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11 Aug 2012, 2:04 am
I must say I don't really know anything about Ryan except that he's the guy who made waves with his budget plan. I've read a lot of enthusiastic comments about him though, here and elsewhere. I agree, it could be risky for Romney, although it isn't going to cost him any votes from conservatives.
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- danivon
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11 Aug 2012, 2:29 am
It's the Independents that Romney needs, though. I think the conservative base are 'locked', if not massively enthusiastic. They will be more likely to vote anyway, and particularly this year. So why not someone who could appeal to more centrists or even disappointed Democrats?
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11 Aug 2012, 4:42 am
I don't know much about Ryan except that he has had the guts to put forward a tough budget for tough times. It's good to see that Romney can make a bold choice, and I hope that this election is now about issues instead of silly stuff.
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- bbauska
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11 Aug 2012, 6:13 am
You all know how I feel about the budget and making tough decisions.
I LOVE THIS PICK!
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- Neal Anderth
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11 Aug 2012, 6:33 am
Romney just said Paul Ryan is going to be the next President of the United States!
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- rickyp
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11 Aug 2012, 8:27 am
“The reason I got involved in public service, by and large, if I had to credit one thinker, one person, it would be Ayn Rand.” Ryan has listed Rand’s manifesto, Atlas Shrugged, as one of his three most often reread books, and in 2003, he told The Weekly Standard he tries to make his interns read it. Rand is a useful touchstone to understand Ryan’s public philosophy. She centered libertarian philosophy around a defense of capitalism in general and, in particular, a conception of politics as a class war pitting virtuous producers against parasites who illegitimately use the power of the state to seize their wealth. Ludwig von Mises, whom Ryan has also cited as an influence, once summed up Rand’s philosophy in a letter to her: “You have the courage to tell the masses what no politician told them: You are inferior and all the improvements in your condition which you simply take for granted you owe to the effort of men who are better than you.”
http://nymag.com/news/features/paul-rya ... ndex2.htmlIf it ends up being a battle over the Ryan budget, which seems to be what Romney was vaguely espousing. he's not going to help. The elements of the Ryan budget, when dissected and polled, aren't popular. (Vouchers for medicare for example.)
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- Purple
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11 Aug 2012, 9:14 am
The choice of Ryan seems to me to play right into Obama's hands. Obama has just two arrows in his quiver: class warfare and scare tactics. This hits both. The Ryan budget can convincingly be made to seem scary to lots and lots of folks, and it can convincingly be called "balancing the budget for the sake of the rich on the backs of the poor and middle class." Fair? Perhaps not. Convincing? Yes. Bottom line: Obama's base gets energized - something he's been unable to accomplish on his own, and independents who were leaning Romney because he seemed fairly centrist will now re-think. Dumb move for Romney IMHO.
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- freeman2
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11 Aug 2012, 9:16 am
I think this would be Obama's choice for Romney's VP as well--at least they agree on something! I don't get the politics at all--Obama will make Romney wear Ryan's budget around hisneck and scare off many indepedents from voting for Romney. The conservative base may not like Romeny that much but they detest Obama, so they will come out in droves to vote against him. Also I'm not sure voters will find that Ryan is competent to step in if something happens to Romney.
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11 Aug 2012, 10:06 am
Hmm, I just read a little more about Ryan's 'career'. Essentially he's been a professional politician pretty much since he graduated. That's a concern. The record of the professional political classes since they came to prominence hasn't exactly been stellar.
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- Neal Anderth
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11 Aug 2012, 11:47 am
Whilst alienating conservatives during the primary, Romney moves on to completely appease them in the general election. I guess this is better than a mealy mouth mutton muncher like Pawlenty, but not enough. The other silver lining is Ryan's capable youth makes Biden look like a doddering old man.
I still maintain as always that Romney is unelectable against Obama.
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- rickyp
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11 Aug 2012, 12:08 pm
Here' why the pick is probably a disaster...
He's going to lose seniors..
Take last month’s poll from the Kaiser Family Foundation, for example. It asked about a plan which, like Mr. Ryan’s, would change Medicare to a system of private insurance plans, with the government providing a voucher toward the purchase of care. Initially, support for the plan split about evenly, with 46 percent preferring the changes and 50 percent preferring to keep Medicare as it is. That’s not such a bad result for Republicans.
The problem is what happened when Kaiser read different arguments about the plan, arguments which resemble those which voters will hear over the next 18 months. To the 50 percent who were opposed to the plan originally, Kaiser recited a series of arguments that resemble those that Mr. Ryan himself is making: That the plan would reduce the deficit, that the plan would increase choice and that it would save Medicare from fiscal insolvency. Some respondents, 17 percent of those who were originally opposed to the plan, changed their mind after hearing these arguments.
Meanwhile, to the voters who originally supported the plan, Kaiser read another set of arguments, those which resemble the ones that Democrats are making. They said that the plan would increase health care costs and reduce benefits, would do too much to empower private insurance companies, and would “eliminate traditional Medicare.” Upon hearing these arguments, 42 percent of voters who originally supported the plans changed their minds and said they were no longer in favor of it.
Democrats, in other words, seem to have the more persuasive side of the argument — their case was more than twice as likely to change a voter’s mind
http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.co ... care-plan/
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- bbauska
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11 Aug 2012, 1:04 pm
The deficit will hang around Obama's neck as well.
It will be a battle between those who want something done about the deficit and those who don't.
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- Purple
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11 Aug 2012, 4:57 pm
bbauska wrote:It will be a battle between those who want something done about the deficit and those who don't.
This seems to me to be a pretty silly statement. Who
doesn't want to do "something" about the deficit?
As an issue, the deficit and debt are at a fairly high point - as measured by those surveys that ask "what matters most to you", such as
THESE. High, but not tops. High, but not unprecedented. The deficit ranked number one (if memory serves) when Reagan was first running, and not since then.
As far as "it will be a battle between..." goes, as in every Presidential election it will be a battle between candidates, not policy positions. The most predictive survey questions are the "most like me" sort and the "would prefer to have a beer with" sort.
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- bbauska
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11 Aug 2012, 6:32 pm
Has the deficit increased? Yes it has, and lately at a faster rate. If Congress and the President are wanting to do anything about the budget then I don't see it.
Tell me Purple... What has the Congress done? What has the President done? I am looking for something like "At a Min. "X" has been done that reduced the total deficit". I don't think there is a recent year that the deficit has gone down.