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Ricky, if you believe in a state for the Jewish people and the right of return for all Jews than you are not an anti-Zionist. You are just against the current government
Does this mean you are apologizing for calling me anti-Zionist?
I think you should send a note to Wikipedia then...
Why would I apologize for calling you something that you call yourself?
Here's how Wikipedia defines Zionism:
Zionism ... is a nationalist and political movement of Jews and Jewish culture that supports the reestablishment of a Jewish homeland in the territory defined as the historic Land of Israel.
You've agreed that you do support such a homeland.
It then goes on to define several subsets of Zionism: Cultural, Stream, Reform (aka Progressive), Political, Practical, Synthetic, Religious, Labor, Revisionist, Revolutionary, etc. (oy, what's with my people
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You are definitely not a Revolutionary Zionist, but you are probably supportive or not against the others.
For anti-Zionist, let's take Wikipedia's definition in parts:
Anti-Zionism is opposition to Zionism, a nationalism of Jews that supports a Jewish nation state in the territory defined as the Land of Israel.
Not you from what you've said.
In the modern era, anti-Zionism is broadly defined as the opposition to the idea of an establishment of a Jewish state in Palestine,
Not you.
the opposition to some policies of Israel and its extension
Certainly, everyone opposes some of Israel's policies; in fact, there are very few people on the planet who support all of any one government's policies. Now, "its extension" is the key words that you are using to define yourself as an anti-Zionist. Assuming that "its extension" means annexing Jerusalem or settling the West Bank, then yes, I would agree that you are an anti-Zionist.
moving on:
or to the modern State of Israel as defined as A Jewish and Democratic State
This is why I asked you about the Jewish right of return. That is an aspect of Israel that makes it a Jewish state. Yes, you get Yom Kippur off, but I presume you don't object to that anymore than you object to getting Christmas off in your own country. Using Hebrew as the national language should be relatively unobjectionable. It's really the right of return that makes Israel Jewish. I presume you are also unhappy with the educational perspective, but I'm sure it's no worse that the way we glorify the Boston Tea Party over here.
So, in summary, if you want to define yourself as anti-Zionist, go ahead. In my heart of hearts I believe you are better than that, even though you push my buttons with your sources and writing style. You should know that you are voluntarily joining a broad movement which includes, per the Wikipedia page that you've highlighted:
Claims that the Zionist movement controls world history or seeks to achieve world domination are roughly as old as the Zionist movement. The most influential of these claims is the Tsarist forgery, The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, which remains popular.
In 1939, the Nazi German paper Völkischer Beobachter, justified the German occupation of Czechoslovakia with the headline: "In Prague Jewry is in power". In 1968, the East German communist paper Neues Deutschland justified the Warsaw Pact invasion of Czechoslovakia with the headline "In Prague Zionism is in power".[113] Simon Wiesenthal subsequently found 39 formerly influential Nazi party members working in the East German press and now directing their campaigns at Zionists.
From the 1960s, the Soviet Union promoted the allegation of secret ties between the Nazis and the Zionist leadership. This included claims that the Zionist movement inflated or faked the impact of the Holocaust. The thesis of 1982 doctoral dissertation of Mahmoud Abbas (a co-founder of Fatah and president of the Palestinian Authority who earned his PhD in history at the Moscow Institute of Oriental Studies, with Yevgeny Primakov as thesis advisor) was The Secret Connection between the Nazis and the Leaders of the Zionist Movement.[114][115] In his 1983 book The Other Face: The Secret Connection Between the Nazis and the Zionist Movement, based on the dissertation, Abbas wrote:
“ It seems that the interest of the Zionist movement, however, is to inflate this figure [of Holocaust deaths] so that their gains will be greater. This led them to emphasize this figure [six million] in order to gain the solidarity of international public opinion with Zionism. Many scholars have debated the figure of six million and reached stunning conclusions—fixing the number of Jewish victims at only a few hundred thousand."[116][117][118] ”
A different version of this conspiracy theory claims that Nazis and Zionists had a shared interest or even cooperated in the extermination of Europe's Jewry, as persecution would force them to flee to Palestine, then under British administration. Similar claims are occasionally made by Hezbollah or Hamas sources.[citation needed]
In 1995, William Korey released a work entitled Russian antisemitism, Pamyat, and the demonology of Zionism. Korey's central argument is that the Soviet Union promoted an "official Judeophobic propaganda campaign" under the guise of anti-Zionism from 1967 to 1986; after this program was shut down by Mikhail Gorbachev, a populist and chauvinist group called Pamyat emerged in the more open climate of Glasnost to promote an openly anti-Semitic message.[119] Korey also argues that much official late-period Soviet anti-Semitism may be traced back to the influence of Protocols of the Elders of Zion. He notes, for instance, that a 1977 Soviet work entitled International Zionism: History and Politics contains the allegation that most major Wall Street financial institutions are "large financial-industrial Jewish monopolies" exercising control over many countries in the world.[120] Russian antisemitism was reviewed by Robert O. Freedman in the Slavic Review; while he concurs with the book's central thesis, Freedman nevertheless writes that the actual extent of Soviet anti-Semitism may have been less than Korey suggests.[121]
Before the Second World War many prominent Britons maintained that the tension between Germany and Britain was the result of Jewish warmongering. In 1935 the British Union of Fascists mounted a "peace campaign" against war, claiming an alliance of international financiers and Jews were leading Britain to war with Germany. However by 1938 the public mood had changed and Admiral Domville wrote "it is interesting to see how permeated these people are with the war germ. Israel has done its work well."[122] Similar accusations have been made regarding Zionism and the 2003 invasion of Iraq.[123][124][125]
The Sudanese government has alleged that the Darfur uprising (in which some 500,000 have been killed) is part of a wider Zionist conspiracy.[126] Egyptian media have alleged that the Zionist movement deliberately spreads HIV in Egypt.[127]
According to the Anti-Defamation League, Neo-Nazi and radical Muslim groups allege the US government is controlled by Jews, describing it as the "Zionist Occupation Government".[128]
Article 22 of the 1988 Hamas charter claims that the French Revolution, the Russian Revolution, colonialism and both world wars were created by the Zionists or forces supportive of Zionism.[129] Article 32 alleges that the Zionist movement seeks to create an Empire stretching from the Nile in Egypt to the Euphrates river in Iraq.
In April 2010, Abd Al-Azim Al-Maghrabi, the Deputy Head of Egyptian Arab Lawyers Union, stated in an interview with Al-Manar TV (as translated by MEMRI) that the Hepatitis C virus was produced by "the Zionists" and that "this virus is now spreading in Egypt like wildfire." He also called for it to be "classified as one of the war crimes perpetrated by the Zionist enemy."[130]
In June 2010, Egyptian cleric Mus’id Anwar gave a speech which aired on Al-Rahma TV (as translated by MEMRI) in which he alleged that the game of soccer (as well as swimming, bullfighting and tennis) was in fact a Zionist conspiracy, stating that:
As you know, the Jews, or the Zionists, have The Protocols of the Elders of Zion. Over 100 years ago, they formulated a plan to rule the world, and they are implementing this plan. One of the protocols says: “Keep the [non-Jews] preoccupied with songs, soccer, and movies.” Is it or isn’t it happening? It is...The Zionists manage to generate animosity among Muslims, and even between Muslim countries, by means of soccer.[
Why would you want to be associated with that?
18 Mar 2015, 12:23 pm 
