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Post 20 Apr 2015, 6:20 am

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Let me know when the ACA is popular.


http://kff.org/health-reform/poll-findi ... arch-2015/

Here. You can track it for yourself.
But the problem with your statement is that the ACA doesn't have to be popular. Like the slightly faster man of two, being chased by a bear... it just has to be more popular than the options on offer. (faster than the slower man.)
Versus the situation prior to its inception, its popular. So, repeal, the option on the table from Cruz and other unelectables, loses out versus the ACA. And as the article illustrates, what is on offer is a patchwork representation of attempts at improving the ACA - but none consider repeal.
Familiarity breeds acceptance.

By the way, Montana just became the 28th state to expand medicare under the ACA.
And Ted Cruz is buying his insurance from the ACA marketplace
Ironic huh?
http://www.nbcmontana.com/news/politics ... e/31987472
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Post 20 Apr 2015, 8:09 am

Of course the battle is at the State level .
And for governors who are ideologically opposed its a difficult battle.
Because reality bites ...

For instance in Florida.
Whatever the reasons for Scott’s recalcitrance, the real impact of leaving the Affordable Care Act’s Medicaid money on the table is that roughly 670,000 Floridians are being denied access to affordable healthcare. It’s the state with the second largest Medicaid coverage gap, trailing only Texas. That’s a lot of people who are eagerly waiting to find out what exactly Rick Scott has planned for them


What’s curious about all this is why Scott, as an on-again-off-again opponent of expanded Medicaid, doesn’t just follow the example of other Republican governors who contorted themselves politically to accept the money while remaining opposed to “Obamacare.” He has two readymade examples to pick from: John Kasich in Ohio, and Mike Pence in Indiana. Kasich jammed the Medicaid expansion through despite opposition from Republicans in the state legislature, and has since been trying to convince people that expanded Medicaid doesn’t really count as “Obamacare.” That’s silly, but the end result is still more Ohioans with coverage. Pence – a hardline, red-meat conservative if there ever was one – worked out a compromise with the Department of Health and Human Services that allows him to use Obamacare money to expand an existing Indiana health program. He’s out there trying to spin it as Medicaid “reform,” but it’s still Obamacare and it’s still covering low-income Indianans.

http://www.salon.com/2015/04/20/rick_sc ... aid_fight/
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Post 20 Apr 2015, 8:41 am

rickyp wrote:Fate
Let me know when the ACA is popular.


http://kff.org/health-reform/poll-findi ... arch-2015/

Here. You can track it for yourself.
But the problem with your statement is that the ACA doesn't have to be popular. Like the slightly faster man of two, being chased by a bear... it just has to be more popular than the options on offer. (faster than the slower man.)


Wrong. Here's what happens: GOP wins, ACA is either repealed or so massively overhauled that Obama demands it no longer be called "Obamacare."

Public is completely indifferent, maybe even hopeful, because they never liked it.

Versus the situation prior to its inception, its popular.


Not really. This is nothing like other massive entitlement programs. People don't like losing their doctor, seeing their co-pays and deductibles go through the roof, paying 10X as much for prescription meds, having very narrow networks, etc.

I'll bet you $1000 the ACA will undergo a massive change and/or repeal if the GOP wins. Wanna bet?
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Post 20 Apr 2015, 2:55 pm

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People don't like losing their doctor, seeing their co-pays and deductibles go through the roof, paying 10X as much for prescription meds, having very narrow networks, etc.


You are also describing the situation before the ACA. Plus 11 to 13 million more with no insurance and a lot of people with near worthless insurance due to a lack of standards.
The ACA didn't make major improvements to the prior situation. The question is how many people have no memory of 2010?
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Post 20 Apr 2015, 3:04 pm

rickyp wrote:Fate
People don't like losing their doctor, seeing their co-pays and deductibles go through the roof, paying 10X as much for prescription meds, having very narrow networks, etc.


You are also describing the situation before the ACA. Plus 11 to 13 million more with no insurance and a lot of people with near worthless insurance due to a lack of standards.


No, I am focusing on the here and now.

The ACA didn't make major improvements to the prior situation. The question is how many people have no memory of 2010?


No, the question is how many voters have either seen their situation get worse or no someone whose has.

Btw, again, you miss the most obvious poll: elections. Look up 2014 and see how those went.
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Post 21 Apr 2015, 5:57 am

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No, I am focusing on the here and now.


Not according to this guy.

"Only 18% of Americans want to go back to the system we had before because they do not want to go back to some of the problems we had," Whit Ayres, a veteran Republican pollster who works for presidential candidate Sen. Marco Rubio of Florida, said at a recent breakfast hosted by the Christian Science Monitor.
"Smart Republicans in this area get that," he added
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Post 21 Apr 2015, 7:10 am

rickyp wrote:Fate

No, I am focusing on the here and now.


Not according to this guy.

"Only 18% of Americans want to go back to the system we had before because they do not want to go back to some of the problems we had," Whit Ayres, a veteran Republican pollster who works for presidential candidate Sen. Marco Rubio of Florida, said at a recent breakfast hosted by the Christian Science Monitor.
"Smart Republicans in this area get that," he added
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So, put your money where your mouth is.

It's not a matter of "going back." It's a matter of LIKING the ACA. If you think the ACA will survive as is, let's bet!
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Post 21 Apr 2015, 8:47 am

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If you think the ACA will survive as is, let's bet


I would hope that it improves considerably.
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Post 21 Apr 2015, 9:11 am

rickyp wrote:fate
If you think the ACA will survive as is, let's bet


I would hope that it improves considerably.


Only if Hillary loses.

The House will remain GOP-controlled. The Senate is a toss-up with a modest edge to the Democrats. So, if there are going to be any changes, it will be because there is a Republican President.

And, if they repealed the ACA root and branch, would there be an outcry?

No, especially if they put something better in its place. That won't be hard--the "better" part.
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Post 04 May 2015, 12:53 pm

It's getting better all the time:

Nearly half of the 17 insurance marketplaces set up by the states and the District under President Obama’s health law are struggling financially, presenting state officials with an unexpected and serious challenge five years after the passage of the landmark Affordable Care Act.

Many of the online exchanges are wrestling with surging costs, especially for balky technology and expensive customer call centers — and tepid enrollment numbers. To ease the fiscal distress, officials are considering raising fees on insurers, sharing costs with other states and pressing state lawmakers for cash infusions. Some are weighing turning over part or all of their troubled marketplaces to the federal exchange, HealthCare.gov, which now works smoothly.
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Post 04 May 2015, 12:55 pm

Medicaid to the rescue! Oops, maybe not:

A survey of 2,098 emergency-room doctors conducted in March showed about three-quarters said visits had risen since January 2014. That was a significant uptick from a year earlier, when less than half of doctors surveyed reported an increase. The survey by the American College of Emergency Physicians is scheduled to be published Monday.

Medicaid recipients newly insured under the health law are struggling to get appointments or find doctors who will accept their coverage, and consequently wind up in the ER, ACEP said. Volume might also be increasing due to hospital and emergency-department closures—a long-standing trend.

“There was a grand theory the law would reduce ER visits,” said Dr. Howard Mell, a spokesman for ACEP. “Well, guess what, it hasn’t happened. Visits are going up despite the ACA, and in a lot of cases because of it.”
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Post 12 May 2015, 9:25 am

medicade and medicare underpayments to hospitals was a promblem before a.c.a.. now it is more acute.
how can any repulican say they have a better plan? this is their plan,the dems wanted a single payer system. if it works for people over 65,then why not everyone
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Post 12 May 2015, 9:40 am

kidegan wrote:medicade and medicare underpayments to hospitals was a promblem before a.c.a.. now it is more acute.
how can any repulican say they have a better plan? this is their plan,the dems wanted a single payer system. if it works for people over 65,then why not everyone

What makes this the Republican plan if they didn't vote for it?
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Post 12 May 2015, 10:04 am

The plan is similar to plans that Republicans had offered before when Republicans were "compassionate conservatives". Now they don't bother with that compassionate stuff...
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Post 12 May 2015, 10:25 am

freeman3 wrote:The plan is similar to plans that Republicans had offered before when Republicans were "compassionate conservatives". Now they don't bother with that compassionate stuff...

so Obama doesn't own Obamacare anymore? It's a Republican failure?