rickyp wrote:ray
Tom, if you change insurance companies, you may have to change doctors
This is nothing new. The ACA doesn't change this.....
Gee whiz,
the facts seem to be against you--just like they're against the President. But, don't let the truth dissuade you, you true-believer you!
The Obama Administration has been claiming that insurance companies will be competing for your dollars under the Affordable Care Act, but apparently they haven't surveyed the nation's top hospitals.
Americans who sign up for Obamacare will be getting a big surprise if they expect to access premium health care that may have been previously covered under their personal policies. Most of the top hospitals will accept insurance from just one or two companies operating under Obamacare.
"This doesn't surprise me," said Gail Wilensky, Medicare advisor for the second Bush Administration and senior fellow for Project HOPE. "There has been an incredible amount of focus on the premium cost and subsidy, and precious little focus on what you get for your money."
Regulations driven by the Obama White House have indeed made insurance more affordable – if, like Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius, you're looking only at price. But responding to Obamacare caps on premiums, many insurers will, in turn, simply offer top-tier doctors and hospitals far less cash for services rendered.
Duh: offer less for the same services and some providers refuse to take it. Hmm, it's like capitalism or something.
It may force some people to shop for new insurance as their old insurance was substandard, but every time a company or person moved their insurance in the past this might have occured.
Yes, but cuts in what their doctors got paid mandated by the Federal government . . . that's new! Big ups to the ACA for forcing Americans to realize that there's no such thing as a "free lunch."
(Doesn't happen under single payer though, which provides more freedom to the user to choose their doctor than a system that some of you insist offers "choice".
So valuable! It's great to know there's no downside to giving control to the government to control ALL medical reimbursement. If SOME control has a downside, we can know that COMPLETE control has no downside.
Or something.
Why did your employer change plans Tom?
If the previous plan didn't meet minimum ACA standards it had to have some pretty serious deficiencies. You still haven't explained what they were... And I still don't think you know what they were.
Um, why does this confuse you so?
His policy now costs him a LOT more money. How many Americans can afford (potentially) $22K a year?
The free-market goes haywire when people have less control over their cash (as in under the ACA) than when they have more control over it?
The ACA actually increases choice. For people with pre-existing conditions. And for people who require subsidies to afford any insurance.
It doesn't decrease choice except that it eliminate substandard products.
False. As demonstrated above, there will be fewer hospitals available. Further, there are fewer insurance companies competing. Finally, many Americans would agree with the propagandized meaning you've imported into "substandard." For example, my wife and I don't need pediatric or maternity coverage. Under the ACA it's mandatory. However, if we could get rid of them, what would make our policy "substandard?" What impact would it have on OUR lives?
They're too dumb to know what they had, but the government is going to fix that by giving fewer, more expensive choices?
Sure. In the same way that consumers are sometimes unaware that other products they are buying are dangerous or substandard .
Hey, I'm all for what you're proposing. The President should be honest, get on TV, and say the following:
"Good evening, my fellow Americans.
I need to explain a few things about the Affordable Healthcare Act. The truth is many of you are too stupid to understand you were being duped before this bill passed. While you thought your needs were being met as you shopped and chose your policies, the truth is you weren't. What you failed to realize is that you actually need coverage you won't use. So, as your bills increase in the next several months, I want you to rejoice.
Why? Because I and my Democratic colleagues have found a way to give you what you don't need at a higher price because it will help balance out our ineptly created plan. Without you paying more than you need to, the whole thing would crash.
Remember, the plans you had before were inferior. They were substandard. The money you saved? Forget about it. You need plans that give you more.
Now, I know what you're thinking, "Mr. President, that makes no sense. Why should my rates go up when I will get no additional benefit?"
That's true, but only if you're thinking like a running dog lackey of the bourgeoisie. Look, in order to cover people with pre-existing conditions and take care of those less fortunate than you, we had to stick it to you. It was the right thing to do.
Of course, no one in my Administration or Congress is forced to do what you're doing. But, that's only right. We are, after all, public servants. We sacrifice so you don't have to.
Goodnight and God bless. He'll have to or you won't be able to pay your bills."
Food quality is maintained so that unaware consumers don't become ill. Safety standards are maintained and consumers who often died as a result of unsafe products or working conditions are protected....
And, as I illustrated (with a chart) there were thousands of State regulations before the ACA. It's not like it was an unregulated market. There were simply more choices--and people could set their own priorities instead of having the ACA set them for them.
The notion that consumers of insurance have been fully informed consumers in the past is laughable.
It's also a straw man.
Who is "fully informed" about healthcare insurance? What did Pelosi say about the bill? "We have to pass it to find out what's in it."
The President has either been lying about what's in it or is ignorant of his own bill--which is it?
No one is "fully informed" unless they work in the field and/or spend countless hours studying it.
However, many people had experience with their previous plans and liked them.
The fact that there are only a few companies competing in a few small areas of the nation, like West Virginia, is a little disturbing. It makes one wonder why insurance companies either avoid the areas as poor business opportunities (And that's probably the reason for West Virginia) or there is some unusual actuarial reason to avoid the reason... Perhaps in West Virginia they want to avoid having to sign on a lot of miners with preexisting lung problems? )
There are other States with little/no competition. Besides, isn't the ACA supposed to mandate coverage for "pre-existing conditions?"
Furthermore, if the bill, as freeman3 claims, is a "free-market" solution, it would encourage and/or demand competition. However, that's NOT what is happening.