The answer about fraud happens was to RickyP. Sorry it made you have to read it again.

Yes Danivon, you caught me. I do want to force everyone to be like me. Fortunately it is just my opinion. You are safe for now.

Can we extrapolate your 4 point plan with all government regulations? I would love to see that.

BTW, just had a lady from Yorkshire come in the office. Nice to have the accent while typing back to you...

She'd sound a lot more like me than Dan. I live in Yorkshire and grew up just over the border.

I certainly would not say you all sound alike. That would be improper.

Sassenach wrote:She'd sound a lot more like me than Dan. I live in Yorkshire and grew up just over the border.

Whereas I grew up some way south of London, and we talk totally differently to them Yorkies.

bbauska wrote:Yes Danivon, you caught me. I do want to force everyone to be like me. Fortunately it is just my opinion. You are safe for now.

As much as I'm brilliant and everything, I can't think of anything much worse than everyone being like me, or all thinking the same way. T'would be such a bore...

bbauska wrote:Can we extrapolate your 4 point plan with all government regulations? I would love to see that.

No problem for me. I'm thinking it's a generally good idea outside government, too.

1) Do we actually have a problem?
2) Is it more important than other problems?
3) What solutions do we have, and how to the address the actual problem?
4) What other impacts do each solution create, and could they lead to other problems.

The problem seems to me to be that some people are starting with the solution before they even figure out what the requirements for it are. Which in the context of my job tends to be when the real problems start...

b

Perhaps Ricky and I could agree on National ID cards for citizens

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I think its a good idea. But only for the very ancillary reason of voter fraud. From your source in Florida it says that 1,596 dead people are on the voter register. And that some voted. But nothing in the article says how they know some voted. Or how many. Why is that statement unsupported?

What if it was 2? That number would qualify as some. But that incidence wouldn't justify the change in the current systems. You'd need something else to justify a national ID card. And the only thing on offer would be an improvement in the enforcement of labour law around hiring illegal aliens....
And some of you don't agree with me that there are sufficient benefits even there to justify the expense...

Personally, I don't think a national ID card is necessary. Neither is voting. IF you want to vote, you should show ID.

Justifying government expenses? That makes me laugh coming from a friendly lefty...

I'm a fiscal conservative B.
Which means I kind of agree with Romney when he says " I look at every expense and wonder if it is worth borrowing the money from China to afford"..
I just don't think he's responsible enough to include in his evaluation. lower tax rates. Are lower tax rates worth borrowing the money from China for?

b

Personally, I don't think a national ID card is necessary. Neither is voting. IF you want to vote, you should show ID

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If ID costs someone money that they normally wouldn't spend ...then you are insisting that for some people, a price be put upon the execution of a fundamental right, guaranteed in the Constitution. That and you are treating one class of people differently then another.

Do you think health care is worth double what the initial price tag was?

RickyP,
The Constitution give the right to vote. It does not give the right to have free ID, a personal chauffeur to the polling places, and catered lunch while waiting in line. So to keep everything fair, you wither need to have National ID for voting purposes, or everyone provides their own ID. That is equal treatment.

So, Brad, does the Constitution place 'responsibilities' on voters? Please cite where it does...

Jeez, this thread is going round and round and round again in circles. It's a great 'two bald men fighting over a comb' scenario. Nobody actually cares that much about the position they're defending and nobody can offer a plausible case that the opposite argument is really such a big deal.

Well said, Sass. I apologize.

Please don't use offensive language. we prefer the term hursuitically challenged.

Sure, Sass. Let's leave it there unless there's more meat on the bone.

Five pages and we get "Let's put down our weapons and go our separate ways"?

How un-Redscape like. Not even a damn 'that's how Hitler would run an election' comment. Sheesh.

There are great changes afoot under this new management....