freeman3 wrote:And their far-right connections...

http://rhrealitycheck.org/article/2015/ ... -violence/

How about some background on Planned Parenthood? How about the millions of lives they've ended?

Can't win the argument--attack the source.

danivon wrote:

Doctor Fate wrote:Agreed. So, I would have no problem looking at the full transcript.

So do you have a link to one?

1. The offer is not to you.

2. I can google it as easily as you can.

We have eyewitness testimony of it.

Is it corroborated? A lot does seem to lie on whether she is telling the truth - and what that actually means.

Yes, it does. I guess someone now will try to dig up dirt on her. Every one who dares stand up against the might of PP must be destroyed.

Furthermore, to alter the procedure in order to "save" a part of the baby is a violation of law. We have a doctor on video talking about using less "crunchy" techniques so as to not damage specific parts--a direct violation.

Is it? So which laws are we talking about here? I was under the impression that it was the "crunchy" methods that people were often squeamish about.

First source that popped:

But so far, Planned Parenthood hasn’t specifically addressed a separate question: whether their doctors actually alter the timing and method of abortions to get that tissue, which also would be illegal under federal law.

Now, please . . . stop your infernal questioning. You can google this junk for yourself. I'm not your google-helper.

fate

How about some background on Planned Parenthood?

http://www.factcheck.org/2011/04/planned-parenthood/

fate

How about the millions of lives they've ended?

Please be clear. Is that zygotes, or early stage fetus or actual lives?

And what support do you have for the statement? master googler that you are....

rickyp wrote:fate

How about some background on Planned Parenthood?

http://www.factcheck.org/2011/04/planned-parenthood/

That's a farce. Fact Check.org is known to be a left-leaning crock.

How many mammograms does PP do every year?

From 2010-12, PP did one million abortions:

According to analysis by the Susan B. Anthony List, Planned Parenthood has performed almost 1 million abortions in the past three years alone.

fate

How about the millions of lives they've ended?

Please be clear. Is that zygotes, or early stage fetus or actual lives?

They'll kill any baby.

An investigation into Planned Parenthood has found that three clinics — two in Southwest Florida — are performing procedures beyond their licensing authority.

The Fort Myers clinic reportedly provided 21 second trimester abortions from July 2014 through June 2015 while only licensed to perform first trimester abortions.

They're a murderous lot, which likely explains your support for them.

And what support do you have for the statement? master googler that you are...

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Hey doofus, I don't have to make you happy--frankly, that's impossible.

Meanwhile, PP has lied over and over again as these CMP videos have been released. It would seem impossible for Cecile Richards to keep a straight face, well, except as the head of murder incorporated, what's a little dissembling?

PP has ended millions of human lives, no matter how much you wish it wasn't true.

bbauska wrote:That would be like using the organs of a death row prisoner. I would guess that you would not support that.

I would have no problem as long as the deceased or their family had consented. What China was doing was wrong, as it was taking organs from executees automatically.

One is an accidental case of pregnancy termination, and one is intentional termination. I cannot with good conscience support the intentional termination of pregnancy just to have beneficial outcomes.

[/quote]Unless you can show any women are having abortions primarily to provide organs etc, or that women are having abortions forced on them to do so, you don't have to worry about that. The abortions will have been requested anyway.

DF - that last post was crossing the line, and one you set yourself. Personal abuse and saying someone supports murder.

danivon wrote:DF - that last post was crossing the line, and one you set yourself. Personal abuse and saying someone supports murder.

Was it?

He clearly does support murder.

As for the "doofus," hmm, it's much kinder than many thoughts that ran through my mind. He's acting even less mature than usual, which is saying something.

a stupid, incompetent, or foolish person

Abuse? Mmmm. Let me think about that.

Meanwhile, is it murder?

On August 8, 2015, former Planned Parenthood director turned pro-lifer Abby Johnson wrote about a conversation she had with other clinic workers in the POC lab, where pieces of aborted babies were stored. She said:

I remember one day at Planned Parenthood we were standing around in the POC lab talking about how far along Warren Hern performed abortions (he performs them up until the date of birth in Colorado). I remember my boss laughing and saying, “He aborts them so far along they come out crying and looking for their mama.” Everyone in the room laughed as she made the motion of holding a baby up and spanking it’s bottom. I went to a friend of mine and asked her what she thought of aborting babies so late… I had always been uncomfortable with late term abortion. She said, “Well, it’s better to kill them before they are put in a dumpster.” And that was how I then began to justify late term abortion in my mind… “better than in a dumpster.”

Since leaving Planned Parenthood, that conversation has always haunted me… how easily I could justify something so heinous. I have since learned that if you have to justify something, then you probably shouldn’t believe in it.

So, choose. Do you:

1. Laugh along.
2. Cling to the notion that babies, even full-term, have zero right to life.
3. Call it what it is: murder.

And, yes, good ol' Dr. Hern will kill your child right up to the last minute. What a guy!

Boulder Abortion Clinic offers:

First Trimester Abortion up to 13 Weeks
Second Trimester Abortion up to 26 Weeks
Third Trimester Abortion (commonly known as late term abortion) over 26 Weeks

Scum.

Doofus is not the way we should be interacting.

As for the murder claim? It is his opinion that it is murder.

bbauska wrote:Doofus is not the way we should be interacting.

Responding to:

Please be clear. Is that zygotes, or early stage fetus or actual lives?

And what support do you have for the statement? master googler that you are...

That first line is offensive. In my opinion, it is mocking the notion of life and making light of ending it.

The second line is offensive. He gave a jab.

My response was pretty tame. If you believe I was more offensive than he was, I will certainly apologize.

We are called to not base our standards on that of the world. We are called to be higher than that.

I agree that RickyP is being offensive and intentionally dense and mocking. His standard is lower than ours.

bbauska wrote:We are called to not base our standards on that of the world. We are called to be higher than that.

I agree that RickyP is being offensive and intentionally dense and mocking. His standard is lower than ours.

Very well then.

I apologize to both you and rickyp.

I think there is a difference between believing abortion is murder and telling someone they probably support an organization because they are a murderous lot--the latter statement by DF, as Owen said, crossed a line. I mean, DF usually calls Ricky Doofus before his morning coffee...nothing wrong with trying to elevate the debate, Brad--of course. But I think Owen had a valid point. If there is a ban on personal attacks here it is honored more in the breach...but can we as reasonable people on opposite sides of a visceral debate stipulate to some limits?

I saw a poll where after the videos Planned Parenthood had a 45 percent approval rate versus 30 percent who had a negative opinion. Here is a measured response from a woman about men giving women moral lectures on abortion...http://nymag.com/thecut/2015/08/the-big ... rtion.html

On a personal note, I was the third of four sons ...the last two were unplanned--my parents were done having kids. My mom--pro--choice--told me that she did not believe in having an abortion herself...guess I lucked out there. Anyway, she did not use the pronoun "we" in saying how that decision was arrived at...

Whether something is murder is not just a matter of opinion, it is a matter of criminal investigation and law. And saying someone supports murder without any real evidence would be slander / libel in most jurisdictions I know of. The back and forth up to then may lead DF and bbauska to think the use of "doofus" was a slight escalation, but the murder thing?

Not cool.

I understand it is an emotive subject, but can we please try to dial it down?

Nicely put, Owen.