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Post 06 Jan 2012, 3:44 pm

danivon wrote:Isn't there a whole thread and national debate about a situation where Obama is trying to set up an agency to regulate for the benefit of consumers and Congress is doing all it can to do nothing to help set it up (even though it was established by a legislative act and they could simply disestablish it using one)?.


The problem with this comment is all the duties of the CFPB is already handled by other government agencies. All the CFPB does is consolidate the jobs of about 4 or 5 different Departments into 1 Bureau (oh and take away Congressional oversight). So it is not as you are implying that this is a new board created to do a job that is not being done by the government already.
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Post 06 Jan 2012, 4:43 pm

Archduke Russell John wrote:
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Archduke Russell John wrote:Ron Paul won't break 10% in the Iowa caucuses.

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Yep, I was wrong about that. But then again, your claims that he was going to win by a landslide are also :dead:

Further, I would say a 3rd place finish is a loss for Paul, considering how high he was in the polls.

Of course the thing I like about the Iowa caucus is that it kind of proves what I was saying. Total attendence was about 120,000 or the same as 2008. However, registered Republican attendence was down and Independents & registered Democrats attendence was up. I think New Hampshire Independents will vote for Huntsman. Much for the same reason Santorum did so well in Iowa. He has been in the state so long. He has had 150 campaign events which is more then any other candidate. Also, Gingrinch is going to go nuclear on Romney that combined with what can only be seen as a loss in Iowa are going to hurt Romney.


You will find NO such quote from me about a landslide in Iowa. Go back and look, but do not make things up.

3rd Place is disappointing, but not entirely. If it were any other 3, you'd be calling it a virtual tie.

Again, this was really just a straw poll. Ron Paul will get more delegates than his allotted 6. I prefer the caucus system because it's moire open ended. Santorum won't last long, and it will be good to have those delegates up for grabs.
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Post 06 Jan 2012, 5:32 pm

Guapo wrote:
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Guapo wrote:Everyone has low percentages, except for Huckabee--and he's gone. In reality, only 19 and 21 are accurate scenarios, and Ron Paul is tied for second in 19, and in third in 21. Looks to me like Ron is doing just fine.


You are correct. However, there are some candidates missing from those questions. Huntsman, Cain, Johnson, and Santorum are not included in any of those questions. So you are making the assumption that Paul will pick up all of the undecideds and a majority of the Huckabee supports without losing any of his own supports to the candidates not named. I think that is a stretch. After all let's look at the 2007/2008. He was polling in the low 9%'s in 2007. Five months later, when a number of candidates had dropped out and the undecideds made up their minds, he picked up less then 1 point.

This seems to indicate that he will not do much better then the approx. 10% he is pulling in your referenced poll.


Russ, Ron is polling at 15-16% in the questions that are relevant to the current situation (19/21). He doesn't need to pick up all the undecideds, or even most of them. 30% wins you Iowa. 20% gets you 2nd or 3rd. Your arithmetic is way off.

Also, I'm not guaranteeing that Ron will win Iowa, though I think he could. I'm saying that he's going to be in one of the top 3, and that he will beat Huntsman. He might lose to Romney, but I don't think Romney will do as well as the prognosticators say because of Romneycare. Did you notice the question about that? That question was specifically designed for Romney.

I'd like to see an updated poll post-debate. I can't find one, so this is all we have to go on.


nevermind. I'll qft myself. page 4 or 5. :winkgrin:
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Post 10 Jan 2012, 8:21 am

Someone get the smelling salts for Ricky. Turns out Obama is not winning in another poll:

Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney and Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas, run neck-and-neck with President Obama in a general-election matchup, according to a new CBS News poll released late on Monday that shows the two front-runners in Tuesday's New Hampshire GOP primary running stronger against the president than their fellow Republicans.

Romney posts a two-point lead over Obama, 47 percent to 45 percent, within the poll's margin of error of plus or minus 2.8 percentage points. He leads Obama, 45 percent to 39 percent, among independent voters.

Obama's lead over Paul is just one point, 46 percent to 45 percent, as Paul leads among independents by 7 points.


Ron Paul is within the margin of error?

Please stop with the "Republicans can't win" garbage.
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Post 10 Jan 2012, 8:39 am

Wait. Call an ambulance. This is certainly going to damage Ricky's heart. By a 2:1 margin,Americans are more fearful Obama will win than that he will lose.

When it comes to how Americans view President Obama going into the new year, there appears to be very little spirit of Auld Lang Syne. Instead, according to the new Washington Whispers poll, many voters aren't forgetting what they dislike about Obama and want him out office.

In our New Year's poll, when asked what news event they fear most about 2012, Americans by a margin of two-to-one said Obama's reelection. Only 16 percent said they fear the Democrat won't win a second term, while 33 percent said they fear four more years. [Check out the top political events of 2011]


Two polls, neither with Rasmussen. Poor Ricky!
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Post 10 Jan 2012, 8:54 am

yes. Very scientific polls.
BTW Do you actually read in complete anything you cut and paste?
from the first link in the blog you quoted:
ePollster John Zogby updates our weekly Obama Report Card with a grade on the president's performance. Zogby uses his polling, expert analysis and interaction with major players to come up with a grade and some comments that capture how he sees the president's week ending.
John Zogby on Week: 154
"With Republicans in full retreat on extending the payroll tax cut and his approval rating in some polls on the positive side for the first time in months, President Obama enters the New Year in much better shape than might have been predicted just a few months ago
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Post 10 Jan 2012, 11:06 am

rickyp wrote:yes. Very scientific polls.
BTW Do you actually read in complete anything you cut and paste?
from the first link in the blog you quoted:
ePollster John Zogby updates our weekly Obama Report Card with a grade on the president's performance. Zogby uses his polling, expert analysis and interaction with major players to come up with a grade and some comments that capture how he sees the president's week ending.
John Zogby on Week: 154
"With Republicans in full retreat on extending the payroll tax cut and his approval rating in some polls on the positive side for the first time in months, President Obama enters the New Year in much better shape than might have been predicted just a few months ago


Why yes I do. Zogby is as liberal as Rasmussen is conservative. The only difference is Rasmussen sticks with polling. What you snipped there was Zogby's opinion.

It is notable you passed over both polls.

You just can't handle the truth.

I'll agree with Zogby. Obama's in much better shape than he should be. He ought to be polling at about 20%. That's the combination of socialists and ne'er-do-wells who will support him no matter what.
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Post 10 Jan 2012, 12:32 pm

Doctor Fate wrote:Please stop with the "Republicans can't win" garbage.
I'm not sure that Ricky is saying that. He thinks that the Democrats will win. You are the one peddling that Obama can't win. Looks like polls are actually saying the following:

'Generic Republican' is just ahead of Obama, but within the margin of error over several polls

Romney has been at the same kind of level as 'Generic Republican' against Obama. The rest have all been several points behind (some over 10), but Paul is moving closer.

However, a large section of the Republicans appear to be doing all they can to avoid picking Romney, and Paul is unlikely to win over enough support.

With so much to happen betwixt now and November, no-one can be certain.

(and a poll in which 50% of respondents don't give an opinion that is reported is probably not one you can base much upon)
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Post 10 Jan 2012, 1:51 pm

Just a very quick sidetrack from this 'fascinating' discussion of polling methodologies...

I noticed that a lot of the exit polls from NH wards are showing Obama as getting a lot of votes. Am I to take it from this that the Dems are still holding a primary (presumably at public expense) despite the fact that Obama is unopposed ? Seems a pretty strange thing to do.
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Post 10 Jan 2012, 1:58 pm

Our tax dollars at work... :no: :no: :no:
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Post 10 Jan 2012, 2:23 pm

Sassenach wrote:Just a very quick sidetrack from this 'fascinating' discussion of polling methodologies...

I noticed that a lot of the exit polls from NH wards are showing Obama as getting a lot of votes. Am I to take it from this that the Dems are still holding a primary (presumably at public expense) despite the fact that Obama is unopposed ? Seems a pretty strange thing to do.


I don't believe he is technically unopposed. The WaPo notes he is free from "serious" opposition, but I have heard there are several people on the ballot. Fwiw, I think there are 30 names on the GOP ballot.
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Post 10 Jan 2012, 3:16 pm

I can't vote for Huntsman :cry:
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Post 10 Jan 2012, 4:31 pm

Sassenach wrote:I noticed that a lot of the exit polls from NH wards are showing Obama as getting a lot of votes. Am I to take it from this that the Dems are still holding a primary (presumably at public expense) despite the fact that Obama is unopposed ? Seems a pretty strange thing to do.
Basically all parties that can do are holding caucuses and primaries. Iowa held Dem caucuses. Looking back, in 2004 (when Bush II was pretty much unopposed) and 1984 (Reagan) there were GOP primary votes in NH and other states.

Firstly, it's not always only the Presidential candidacies that are decided - there are Congressional, State and local elections going on and sometimes the primaries for those are rolled in. Adding another ballot line would not be much of an overhead in that situation.

Secondly, as Steve points out there are opponents even for a sitting President, even if they are not likely to get anywhere. If the decision has been taken to allow parties to run primaries as they do, it would be anti-democratic to disallow people to stand and go through the same process just because there's a very likely outcome.
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Post 11 Jan 2012, 10:35 am

Lots of chatter about Obama running as a champion of the working class. He's for the middle class, don't you know. After all, it was the Mighty Obama who pushed through a 3% cut in SSI taxes for workers.

However, it is this sort of thing that undercuts that narrative:

Incident:The first lady and daughter Sasha took a five-day trip to southern Spain, shopping, visiting coastal towns and lunching with the nation’s king and queen.

Criticism:Mrs. Obama and her daughter stayed at a five-star coastal resort where rooms run from $400 to almost $7,000 per night and the first lady was photographed wearing an off-the-shoulder top from pricey designer Jean Paul Gaultier, causing critics to blast the seeming show of extravagance during a period of 9.5 percent unemployment.

Infuriating fact: While the Obamas paid their own way for the trip, American taxpayers picked up the estimated $250,000 security tab.

Infuriating fact II:The White House had dubbed it “Recovery Summer.” D’oh!

Mitigating fact:Mrs. Obama reportedly went to Spain to comfort a friend whose father had recently died and whose daughter, a friend of Sasha‘s, always had wanted to celebrate her birthday in the country.

Quotable: New York Daily News writer Andrea Tantaros labeled Mrs. Obama “more like a modern-day Marie Antoinette than an average mother of two” and noted that “the trip and glitzy destination contrasted with President Obama’s demonization of the rich that smacks of hypocrisy.” . . .

Incident:Mr. and Mrs. Obama jetted up to New York City for a “date night” - dinner and a Broadway play - in May, 2009. . . .

Incident:In May of last year, the Obamas held a “celebration of poetry and prose” party in the East Room of the White House, with Chicago rapper Common among the invited guests.

Criticism:Common - real name: Lonnie Rashid Lynn Jr. - wrote a song honoring Assata Shakur, a convicted-cop killer and fugitive former Black Panther now living in Cuba; the rapper also expressed public support for convicted murderer and controversial cause celebre Mumia Abu-Jamal. A spokesman for the New Jersey State Police union blasted the White House. . . .

Incident: The Obamas took a 17-day trip Hawaii at the end of last year, the family’s annual Christmas vacation.

Criticism: Actually, Mr. Obama didn’t receive much flak - well, except for a report in the National Enquirer that claimed the president wanted to take a cheaper, less extravagant trip to Camp David in Maryland, but was overruled by Mrs. Obama, whose spending “has spiraled completely out of control.” . . .

Incident: With the White House still working on an unfinished jobs plan, Mr. Obama took a vacation to the resort island of Martha’s Vineyard last August.

Criticism: Mr. Obama arrived on the island just as the stock market tanked and opinion polls showed a large majority of Americans being unhappy with the state of the country.

Infuriating fact: Mr. Obama used two helicopters and Air Force One to get to the island; Mrs. Obama and her daughters took a separate military jet and motorcade to arrive on the island four hours before her husband.


What the Obamas say and what they do are two different things. They feel our pain, but not really.

I look forward to the press examining how the Obamas obtained their wealth as surely as they will examine how Romney made his.

How many middle class voters vacation twice a year--once at Martha's Vineyard and the other in Hawaii? How many middle class voters would like to take their kids on a safari in Africa--on the taxpayers' dime?

If the press is at all fair, we should all enjoy "Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous" type reporting this year. Somehow, I don't think that will happen.
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Post 11 Jan 2012, 1:26 pm

Ah, so Presidents should wear a hair shirt if they are saying that they support the poor / middling?