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Post 29 May 2013, 1:46 pm

So, is the safety net too wide?

It is in New Jersey:

A New Jersey state audit released Wednesday shows that prison inmates have been picking up unemployment checks, as well as healthcare and retirement entitlements, to the tune of millions of taxpayer dollars. According to the report by Comptroller Matt Boxer, New Jersey shelled out $23 million to jailbirds from June 2009 to April 2011. The checks came from jobless benefits, Medicaid, food stamps, pensions and other programs.


In Mass too:

A stunning $2.39 million in benefits were paid out to more than 1,160 people who were listed as dead, according to a scathing new audit of the Department of Transitional Assistance.

The report, released this afternoon by state Auditor Suzanne Bump’s office, also showed where DTA failed to use technology that could have identified $15 million in questionable benefits and shelled out a $1 million more to those using fake Social Security numbers.

Among the findings:

• Auditors identified 1,164 cases where $2.39 million was paid in benefits from six to 27 months after the recipients had died.

• DTA gave out another $532,000 to people either claiming deceased dependents or to 40 people who were being claimed by more than one guardian.

• During the time the audit focused on, DTA did not verify self-reported Social Security numbers, leading the state to pay out more than $1 million to those using two numbers to collect and individuals whose social security numbers were being used by more than one person. It also shelled out benefits for an “extended amount of time” to people with an invalid temporary social security number.

• Five regional DTA offices could not provide documentation for more than 30,000 blank EBT cards, raising serious questions in an agency where past internal probes found employees misusing blank EBT cards to access recipients’ benefits inappropriately.

•Despite generating reports to help identify fraud, DTA did not use them, even though they revealed more than $15 million in EBT activity that auditors say “should have been identified by DTA and investigated.”


I listened to one Republican legislator say that Democrats successfully defeated a bill that would have required a valid Social Security number to get government housing.

*Sigh*
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Post 12 Jul 2013, 5:31 pm

An article on the complexity in accommodating the disabled. http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/disability-justice/
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Post 09 Aug 2013, 1:45 pm

http://conservativeintel.com/2013/08/07/walmart-still-pays-its-average-associate-in-n-y-80-more-than-the-nation-will-be-paying-its-interns/

Any desire to make "The Nation" shut down it's practice of abusing their workers?
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Post 09 Aug 2013, 2:19 pm

Comparing interns to regular employees at Wal-Mary is comparing apples and oranges. Interns are willing to work for a low amount of money to get valuable experience in a field where jobs are scarce and highly sought after. In fact, interns are typically somewhat useless as they don't know anything. Why doesn't Wal-mart look at employees of the Nation?
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Post 09 Aug 2013, 3:37 pm

Ahh, whataboutery...

Internships are indeed very different (although my problem with them is that by being low paid they actually make it hard for ordinary people - without rich families to support them - to get their feet in the same doors).

By the way, do Walmart (or other major US employers) make large-scale use of 'zero-hours contracts'? An above-minimum-wage hourly rate is not worth much if you aren't guaranteed a reasonable level of hours.
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Post 09 Aug 2013, 4:20 pm

Ahh, the problem of hypocrisy...

An intern is NOT different. They are low skill employees, trying to better themselves by starting work at the lowest level.

A beginning Walmart associate is is a low skill employee trying to better themselves by starting work at the lowest level. Definitely similarities can be drawn.

BTW, Jobs are scarce I am told. Otherwise they would be getting different ones. At least that is what I was told when a point of leaving the position at Walmart to get another job was mentioned.
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Post 09 Aug 2013, 9:04 pm

Brad,

Here is the dictionary definition of intern. http://www.thefreedictionary.com/_/dict ... internship
How about wikipedia?http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internship
The above sources indicate that an intern is different from an ordinary employee.
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Post 09 Aug 2013, 10:48 pm

freeman3 wrote:Brad,

Here is the dictionary definition of intern. http://www.thefreedictionary.com/_/dict ... internship
How about wikipedia?http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internship
The above sources indicate that an intern is different from an ordinary employee.


So it must be ok, in your opinion, to not pay them a living wage.

The thing is, I am ok with people having the choice to work/intern as they choose. Just like I am ok with a business paying what they choose as well. The problem is that there are those (RickyP) who thinks everyone should have a "living" wage. I wonder what his opinion on "The Nation" payment policy is.
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Post 09 Aug 2013, 11:06 pm

Well, an internship should be temporary , and a primary component should be training. In those limited circumstances it is ok to pay less than a living wage. Why? Because the employer is training the employee on how to do the job and thus are providing a benefit in addition to pay. So I don't have a problem with the Nation bringing in interns just out of college and paying them peanuts to get some experience in journalism.
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Post 10 Aug 2013, 3:43 am

bbauska wrote:So it must be ok, in your opinion, to not pay them a living wage.
I don't think it is OK to underpay interns. Sometimes it is valuable exposure to work that people are studying towards (I met an intern who was at a design agency during the summer holidays for her degree last week), sometimes it's just donkey work for cheap. If it's only for a short period, why can't employers pay a bit more - at least to allow those who don't have external support to have the same opportunities?

So I don't like the Nation policy, or that of other employers who pay interns a low wage.

Not that whataboutery excuses anyone else. Part of the race to the bottom is searching for someone to be just a little better than so you can justify your low.

The thing is, I am ok with people having the choice to work/intern as they choose. Just like I am ok with a business paying what they choose as well.
Actually, the issue is about 'choice'. In an era of high unemployment (and that's not just the current level, but the background level), employees have less choice about what they will take - they don't have as great bargaining power as employers. If we do want to encourage people who are out of work to look for it, we should have an interest in making work worth more to people than not working.

One way to do that is to reduce benefits, but I think there's a limit to that before you start hurting innocent people).
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Post 10 Aug 2013, 10:02 am

I agree that the lowest rung at a company or being an intern is the level that anyone should want to be at for long term. Consider it a driving force to advancement.
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Post 10 Aug 2013, 10:43 am

bbauska wrote:I agree that the lowest rung at a company or being an intern is the level that anyone should want to be at for long term. Consider it a driving force to advancement.

Internship is short term and fixed term, and often seen as a way to gain experience rather than a guaranteed way into a company. It is not the same as joining a company at the lowest rung.

And advancement within a company is dependent on openings coming up at a higher level. If a company is expanding, or people are leaving that may happen. Otherwise, incentives through underpayment aren't going to help.
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Post 10 Aug 2013, 10:47 am

I did an externship with a judge in law school. Not only was I not paid, since it was a class, I literally had to pay for the privilege. It got me some initial experience. I also volunteered with a disability rights center. In certain jobs/professions getting experience is the paramount consideration. I would bet that those interns are happy to be working at the Nation for the pay they are getting. I am wondering if the same can be said about Walmart employees?
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Post 10 Aug 2013, 2:26 pm

freeman3 wrote:I did an externship with a judge in law school. Not only was I not paid, since it was a class, I literally had to pay for the privilege. It got me some initial experience. I also volunteered with a disability rights center. In certain jobs/professions getting experience is the paramount consideration. I would bet that those interns are happy to be working at the Nation for the pay they are getting. I am wondering if the same can be said about Walmart employees?


Wow, great choice you made!

EVERY employee that I have spoken to at Walmart is glad to work there. If they don't want to work there, choose to leave.
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Post 10 Aug 2013, 4:11 pm

Walmart did an internal survey a few years ago that found 86 percent love their jobs (which is laughable because only 47 percent of us employees like their jobs). Here is a discussion if the issue
http://inthesetimes.com/article/14279/d ... rs_them_o/
Also the results of an inspection of Walmart stores. http://www.businessweek.com/stories/200 ... ial-advice