Doctor Fate wrote:

rickyp wrote:fate

The truth is these laws were a response to judicial decisions. Judges have been creating this right and people responded to those decisions.

Judges did not write the 14th amendment.
They have interpreted its application.

Without a fundamental acceptance of same sex marriage by most Americans, I doubt they could have interpreted the 14th amendment as they did.

Here is the text of the 14th Amendment, please tell me which part of it applies:

From a legal perspective, it has been recognized that if government is going to prevent someone from accessing the benefits of being married — and there are tangible benefits, such as accessing parental rights, tax advantages, and certain social services — it must have a reasonable legal justification and important reasons for doing so.
One by one, those legal justifications have faltered in the modern era, leaving state governments struggling to articulate what the important reasons for so restricting marriage are. More often than not this has resulted in those arguing against same sex marriage having to rely on shadowy and, frankly, dubious claims that same sex marriage would somehow harm society or traditional marriage.

danivon wrote:Here is the text of the 14th Amendment, please tell me which part of it applies:

rickyp wrote:The sky is not falling Fate. And Christians aren't being targeted by some kind of Gay conspiracy. Same sex marriages have been the law of the land in many countries around the world for a dozen years and nothing changed for Christians there.

In Canada, redefining marriage has led straight to the persecution of Christians. Just a decade ago, Canada made same-sex marriage legal, leading to fines for a Catholic-owned Knights of Columbus hall for refusing to host a homosexual wedding reception. Likewise, in 2005, Calgary Bishop Fred Henry was called before a Human Rights Tribunal for writing a public letter defending Catholic doctrine on marriage. The complaint was withdrawn, but the message was clear: Dissent is not tolerable under the new regime.

In America, religious freedom includes religious expression, but not so in Canada, it appears. A Catholic church at which two cohabiting homosexual men were altar servers came to the attention of the local bishop due to a letter signed by 12 parishioners.

When Bishop Nicola de Angelis went to the priest, citing Catholic doctrine, one of the servers launched a human-rights case. The case sought $25,000 from the bishop and $20,000 from each of the 12 parishioners who signed the letter. It was also dropped, but not until the bishop, like Henry, had spent considerable money in his legal defense.

Canada was one of the first nations to legally redefine marriage, but other nations are seeing similar consequences of trying to undermine what God has created. Mayors in France have been told they could not refuse to preside over same-sex ceremonies and a British marriage registrar was denied freedom for her religious beliefs, though just months earlier a demoted government employee’s right to criticize marriage redefinition was protected by courts. Of course, the same thing has already been happening in North Carolina, where civil magistrates whose consciences prevent them from performing gay marriage ceremonies must quit their job or face fines.

Doctor Fate wrote:

danivon wrote:

Doctor Fate wrote:Here is the text of the 14th Amendment, please tell me which part of it applies:

That will be the last part of Section 1, the due process and equal protection clauses.

There is no coherence there. Given the purpose of the 14th Amendment, that is garbage.

Or, are you proposing the United States was, in the aftermath of the Civil War, asserting its desire for homosexual marriage?

freeman3 wrote:Yeah so a few Christians suffer some financial loss in Canada because of the new law and it's the end of the world...

. . . never mind the thousands of gay people who have been harassed, persecuted, lost their jobs or even killed because they were gay. similar things could be said with regard to the complaints of white men regarding favorable treatment of minorities, never mind the hugely disproportionate past discrimination against minorities (and frankly white men still have it pretty good compared to everyone else). Have a sense of perspective.

The largest faith in Canada is still Christianity, at just over 22 million people or two-thirds of the population, the survey said

rickyp wrote:its real hard to persecute the Christians up here , there being so damn many of them.
They breed like flies..

The largest faith in Canada is still Christianity, at just over 22 million people or two-thirds of the population, the survey said

http://globalnews.ca/news/544591/the-se ... a-nothing/

danivon wrote:DF - is sexuality a protected characteristic in US employment law?

And how enforceable is it where you have easy Hire & Fire?

DF - I don't think hysterical citing of cases which were dropped (so of course never actually resulted in a court case, let alone a victory for "teh gayz") really backs up your story of widespread oppression in Canada.

danivon wrote:It was sarcasm.