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Post 01 Nov 2012, 11:10 am

The smoking gun:

The U.S. Mission in Benghazi convened an “emergency meeting” less than a month before the assault that killed Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans, because Al Qaeda had training camps in Benghazi and the consulate could not defend against a “coordinated attack,” according to a classified cable reviewed by Fox News.
Summarizing an Aug. 15 emergency meeting convened by the U.S. Mission in Benghazi, the Aug. 16 cable marked “SECRET” said that the State Department’s senior security officer, also known as the RSO, did not believe the consulate could be protected.
“RSO (Regional Security Officer) expressed concerns with the ability to defend Post in the event of a coordinated attack due to limited manpower, security measures, weapons capabilities, host nation support, and the overall size of the compound,” the cable said.
According to a review of the cable addressed to the Office of the Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, the Emergency Action Committee was also briefed "on the location of approximately ten Islamist militias and AQ training camps within Benghazi … these groups ran the spectrum from Islamist militias, such as the QRF Brigade and Ansar al-Sharia, to ‘Takfirist thugs.’” Each U.S. mission has a so-called Emergency Action Committee that is responsible for security measures and emergency planning.
The details in the cable seemed to foreshadow the deadly Sept. 11 attack on the U.S. compound, which was a coordinated, commando-style assault using direct and indirect fire. Al Qaeda in North Africa and Ansar al-Sharia, both mentioned in the cable, have since been implicated in the consulate attack.
In addition to describing the security situation in Benghazi as “trending negatively,” the cable said explicitly that the mission would ask for more help. “In light of the uncertain security environment, US Mission Benghazi will submit specific requests to US Embassy Tripoli for additional physical security upgrades and staffing needs by separate cover.”
As for specific threats against the U.S., the cable warned the intelligence was not clear on the issue, cautioning that the militias in Benghazi were not concerned with any significant retaliation from the Libyan government, which had apparently lost control in Benghazi. A briefer explained that they “did not have information suggesting that these entities were targeting Americans but did caveat that (there was not) a complete picture of their intentions yet. RSO (Regional Security Officer) noted that the Benghazi militias have become more brazen in their actions and have little fear of reprisal from the (government of Libya.)”


So, the Secretary of State's office knew about the threat a month BEFORE the attack. They knew of multiple AQ-related groups in the area.

We know there was real-time knowledge of what was going on. We know that requests for help went unanswered.

Why?

Who denied the requests for additional security? Who knew about them?

It's either incompetence or political calculation above American lives. In either case, a LEADER would step forward and tell the truth--from the beginning.

Video here: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/ ... _here.html
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Post 02 Nov 2012, 5:58 am

There's some more stuff on this that's coming out. For example, you should check out today's WSJ. There was a CIA annex near the Benghazi embassy that was responsible for back up security. Some of the communication gap seems to be related to their secrecy and responsibility.
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Post 02 Nov 2012, 6:48 am

I can't get to the meat of that WSJ article without registering, but I have seen reports elsewhere which include a timeline of events on the night. It seems that State, Defence and the CIA all had responsibility for various aspects of this. I wonder if the presence of a sensitive covert CIA facility nearby had any bearing on the security provision.
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Post 02 Nov 2012, 10:14 am

danivon wrote:I can't get to the meat of that WSJ article without registering, but I have seen reports elsewhere which include a timeline of events on the night. It seems that State, Defence and the CIA all had responsibility for various aspects of this. I wonder if the presence of a sensitive covert CIA facility nearby had any bearing on the security provision.


I'm willing to be patient re the "who did what" during the attack. Maybe there is a cogent explanation for why no one could respond. I don't really buy Panetta's explanation that we didn't know enough to send in troops, but his statement alone is not determinative.

However, it has become apparent the Administration is flailing on two matters: before and after the attack.

First, they knew of the danger. In addition to the previous attacks on the consulate and the British and Red Cross withdrawals from Benghazi, there was ample evidence extremist groups were gathering in strength in the area. Worse: apparently the State Department knew there was trouble several hours before the attack:

Fox News this morning reports that cables from the consulate itself made clear that they expected an attack from local militia groups in the hours before the terrorist attack that claimed the lives of four Americans, including Ambassador J. Christopher Stevens. They also told the State Department that they had reason to believe their local security was gathering intel for the attack


Someone failed to act. That person should be sacked. Immediately. If it was the President, he should say so and explain why.

Second, since the attack the response has been: lie, stonewall, lie, deny, stonewall.

Politically, that is understandable.

However, politically, I would actually admire candor in this instance. Would it change my vote? No, but it would cease to be a political issue.

Instead, the President has insisted they've been straight with us all along. They've not been. I could have even respected several days of "We don't know yet; we're investigating." That's not what they did. They immediately dismissed terrorism and tried to convince us it was "spontaneous" and all about the video. That was disingenuous.

Also disingenuous was the President claiming he had called the attack "terrorism" in the Rose Garden. While that one statement is arguable (I can see how some believe him), his subsequent statements on several TV shows and his speech at the UN undercut this claim.

I am also disturbed by Jay Carney's statement that the President has not been involved in the investigation. Yes, I know, he's in a fight to save his job. He should be able to spend a few minutes to expedite a finding on why 4 Americans were killed. That is his first job.

The American people deserve the truth. It shouldn't take a Congressional investigation and it should not have to wait until after the election.
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Post 05 Nov 2012, 2:49 pm

Watch this video. 60 Minutes edited this out. Tell me it doesn't put the lie to what Obama said during debate #2 and what Crowley seconded.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism ... Covered-Up

4 Americans died; Obama lied.
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Post 09 Nov 2012, 8:46 am

Transparency!

Under pressure from senators, the State Department is allowing some lawmakers to look at cables and other documents related to the Sept. 11 attack on the U.S. mission in Benghazi, but only today and tomorrow, when most senators are not in Washington. …

“To facilitate your committee’s work, we want to offer you and other members of the committee the opportunity to review these cables and memoranda. This set of material contains classified and other sensitive information… Mindful of these concerns, the Department is prepared to make copies of these documents available for the committee’s in camera review.”

One senior GOP Senate staffer told The Cable that State is only making the documents available for senators and committee staff to view today and tomorrow, which won’t actually allow the members to prepare for the hearing. Staffers for committee members are also not allowed to see the material.

“Funny since no member is in town,” the aide said. “The timing and limited access clearly demonstrates the administration cares more about playing politics with the tragedy than accepting responsibility.”
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Post 09 Nov 2012, 9:01 am

I assume that the 2/3 of the Senate not up for election could be there, and as they are in post until the end of the year, probably even the remaining third could be as well.

I also would hope that all of the committee members would have known the session dates in advance and so would already have decided whether to attend or not. The wider Senate may not be there, but wouldn't be in the in camera review session anyway.

The search for mountain-sized molehills continues apace though.
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Post 09 Nov 2012, 9:51 am

danivon wrote:I assume that the 2/3 of the Senate not up for election could be there, and as they are in post until the end of the year, probably even the remaining third could be as well.


They are currently in recess.

I also would hope that all of the committee members would have known the session dates in advance and so would already have decided whether to attend or not. The wider Senate may not be there, but wouldn't be in the in camera review session anyway.


Meh. They get a couple of days notice and they're supposed to drop their real lives and fly back to DC?

The search for mountain-sized molehills continues apace though.


Molehills?

Four Americans died. I guess those are "molehills" for you?

The Administration denied repeated requests for more security BEFORE the attack. BEFORE the attack, the Red Cross and the British fled town. BEFORE the attack, the American consulate had been attacked on multiple occasions. BEFORE the attack, there was ample intel that AQ and like-minded groups were gaining traction in Benghazi.

There is ample evidence the government could have responded to the attack in real-time. Why didn't it? What did the President know? What did he order and to whom? Were those orders followed?

AFTER the attack, why did the Administration persist in lying to the American public?

Molehills?

Only if you're so in love with Obama that you don't care about the truth.
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Post 09 Nov 2012, 10:18 am

Doctor Fate wrote:
danivon wrote:I assume that the 2/3 of the Senate not up for election could be there, and as they are in post until the end of the year, probably even the remaining third could be as well.


They are currently in recess.
Really? I just looked up the Congressional Calendar for 2012. The House is in recess (has been since Oct 8 and returns on Nov 13), but the Senate is in session, having only had the 6 Nov off since Oct 8.

Please keep making assertions of fact that can be quickly checked and found to be false. It's such fun seeing how quickly I can find the evidence to disprove it. :cool:

Meh. They get a couple of days notice and they're supposed to drop their real lives and fly back to DC?
Seeing as the Senate is in session, and that as part of their 'real lives' they are paid at least $174,000 a year to do the job of 'being a Senator', I rather think they are supposed to fly to DC, if they aren't already there.

Especially if it is so important to see these documents, which I guess you think it is.

The search for mountain-sized molehills continues apace though.


Molehills?
I was referring to you hyping of the awful way that evidence is being 'covered up' by letting Senators see it in a committee session, if they can be bothered to attend their workplace.

It is terrible that people were killed, but I doubt that this decision was the cause of it, what with it being a procedural matter a couple of months afterwards.
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Post 09 Nov 2012, 10:35 am

danivon wrote:
Doctor Fate wrote:
danivon wrote:I assume that the 2/3 of the Senate not up for election could be there, and as they are in post until the end of the year, probably even the remaining third could be as well.


They are currently in recess.
Really? I just looked up the Congressional Calendar for 2012. The House is in recess (has been since Oct 8 and returns on Nov 13), but the Senate is in session, having only had the 6 Nov off since Oct 8.

Please keep making assertions of fact that can be quickly checked and found to be false. It's such fun seeing how quickly I can find the evidence to disprove it. :cool:


Wow! You sure caught me!

Not.

Pro-forma session is exactly that. And, that's what they're "in." Please keep acting like a know-it-all. It's fun to prove you wrong. :cool:

Meh. They get a couple of days notice and they're supposed to drop their real lives and fly back to DC?
Seeing as the Senate is in session, and that as part of their 'real lives' they are paid at least $174,000 a year to do the job of 'being a Senator', I rather think they are supposed to fly to DC, if they aren't already there.

Especially if it is so important to see these documents, which I guess you think it is.


Please, do keep droning on while you're in error:

The Senate will hold a pro forma session every Tuesday and Friday until Nov. 13 at 2 p.m. when they’ll continue work on S. 3525, the Sportsmen Act, which would increase access to federal land for hunters and fishers while also supporting conservation measures.


It is terrible that people were killed, but I doubt that this decision was the cause of it, what with it being a procedural matter a couple of months afterwards.


Which decision? The one to provide no extra security before the attack? The decision not to send in help during the attack?

Do you have no interest in knowing who told Ambassador Rice to lie?

You're not interested that your Deity lied during debate #2?
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Post 09 Nov 2012, 10:52 am

DF, there is a Senate pro-forma session today, according to that link. It is Friday, right? They are all due back in by Tuesday anyway, right?

Besides, that is just for the floor sessions of the full Senate, not for committees, which work alongside them.

besides, I still think that part of a paid, full-time politican's job is to be available to do their work. They are not on holiday, not officially, and as this clearly is really important to you, I'm sure that you have already contacted the relevant Senators to impress upon them the need to do their jobs today or tomorrow.
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Post 09 Nov 2012, 11:02 am

Nicely skipping over the heart of the matter: why the limit?

If the Administration values the truth, why confine Senators to two days? Will the documents self-destruct after the 48 hours is up?
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Post 09 Nov 2012, 11:39 am

Doctor Fate wrote:Nicely skipping over the heart of the matter: why the limit?
Because you don't want an open ended time-frame for highly sensitive documents to be hanging around?

If the Administration values the truth, why confine Senators to two days? Will the documents self-destruct after the 48 hours is up?
I doubt it, but I suppose they would be sent back to a secure facility.. Is there anything to stop the Senators from getting a view of the documents at a later date, by arrangement? I see nothing that says that they cannot.

Too many rhetorical questions.

I wonder if the reality is that there was already a committee session booked, or that the committee chair had already made some arrangements, and these were the days agreed for the Senators and the papers to be in the same place.

And perhaps that this staffer is annoyed because he can't get a squiz at them, and maybe his Senator is off on their jollies instead of being available for work.

Anyway. Surely they should all be coming back straight after the elections anyway. Apparently there's a fiscal cliff that the GOP want to avoid going over.
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Post 15 Nov 2012, 2:38 am

Worth reading:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/18/magazine/christopher-stevens-and-the-problem-of-american-diplomacy.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
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Post 15 Nov 2012, 6:46 pm

Hmm seems like Rice relied on CIA briefing to say that attack was not related to terrorisism.

http://m.cbsnews.com/storysynopsis.rbml ... plitPage=1