bbauska wrote:Nope, All encompassing, please. After all the houses are split right now. Thank you for the consideration, though. RickyP???

The phrase "all cattle and no hat" comes to mind. He knows there is no genuine evidence to support his hope, so he'll pass.

Ricky, the key things I've learned are: 1) you don't understand American politics

Well, thats because I only watch Fox news I suppose. Take this recent Fox News poll about voters attitudes towards specific Obama policies..(BTW I did win the closest prediction to the result in the last election on this board...) .
FOX POLL Follows:
If you were in Congress, how would you have voted on President Obama's recently proposed 450 billion dollar stimulus package aimed at creating jobs? . . ."

For it Against it Unsure
% % %
ALL48 44 7
Democrats
82 10 7
Republicans
15 80 4
Independents
37 51 1 2

"Which of the following best describes why the economy is not doing better under Barack Obama's leadership? His ideas are good, but he hasn't been able to get them implemented. His ideas are bad, and too many of them are being implemented." Options rotated


Good ideas,haven't beenimplemented Bad ideas,are beingimplemented Mixed (vol.) Unsure
% % % %
ALL 52 37 6 5
Democrats 85 7 4 4

Republicans15 73 7 5

Independents 50 35 10 6
Fox News Poll conducted by Anderson Robbins Research (D) and Shaw & Company Research (R). Oct. 23-25, 2011. N=904 registered voters nationwide. Margin of error +-3%
http://www.pollingreport.com/budget.htm

Doctor Fate wrote:

bbauska wrote:Nope, All encompassing, please. After all the houses are split right now. Thank you for the consideration, though. RickyP???

The phrase "all cattle and no hat" comes to mind. He knows there is no genuine evidence to support his hope, so he'll pass.

On other topics I've been accused of being a city slicker, but I believe the phrase is "all hat, no cattle", or are you making a joke that I don't get?

Damn dyslexia by DF...

Or as my ma says, "Piss in one hand and shit in the other and see which one fills up first."

Ricky, does the poll ask how many could explain how the $450B Obama proposal differed from his fabulously successful stimulus?

Btw, Ricky, nice dodge on my calling your bluff on not being able to find historical precedent for the irrelevance of head-to-head polls.

Your source also says more Americans prefer a flat-tax than the current system. Furthermore, your source is registered voters, generally more liberal than likely voters, AND, more importantly, is within the margin of error (48-44 +/- 3%). So, basically, you've got nothing on Obama's plan that he's been running around the country on taxpayer money promoting.

How about that CBS poll (same link) on whether Obama has a jobs plan? 56-38 against.

Now you'll come back with the "Republicans in Congress poll worse!" canard. So what? It's not

"Vote for one:

President Obama ____

Republicans in Congress _____"

Same poll: more Americans think Obama favors the rich than the poor!

Obama is going to have to prove he deserves reelection. I understand you don't like that.

bbauska wrote:Damn dyslexia by DF...

Or worse--a bad case of mashed metaphor.

bbauska wrote:Nope, All encompassing, please. After all the houses are split right now. Thank you for the consideration, though.

It's just that I see them as different things, and it's only the Presidency that is really what I'm looking at. Unlike some others, I've not expressed a view on how Congress will fall (so Steve's childish and incorrectly ordered barb is a bit pointless), but if I were to be pushed at this point, I'd say it's fairly likely that the House will remain Republican, so I don't see the point in taking out a bet on it.

Neal Anderth wrote:Or as my ma says, "Piss in one hand and shit in the other and see which one fills up first."

This helps me understand your other posts a wee bit better.

And, for the record (again), although I may read Danivon/Owen's posts, I will not respond. Period.

steve

Obama is going to have to prove he deserves reelection. I understand you don't like that

Maybe. And normally he would have a tough time if this is the scenario. But due to the crash and the impasse in Congress over Obama's policies... its more likely to be kind of a class warfare election. And, if you think voters think Obamas there for the rich folk (and 28% do) then how will Mitt fare?

No comment on backing up your claims that the Dems will have all three, RickyP (Senate/House/Pres)?

rickyp wrote:steve

Obama is going to have to prove he deserves reelection. I understand you don't like that

Maybe. And normally he would have a tough time if this is the scenario. But due to the crash and the impasse in Congress over Obama's policies... its more likely to be kind of a class warfare election. And, if you think voters think Obamas there for the rich folk (and 28% do) then how will Mitt fare?

Think real hard. When was the last time the US had "a class warfare election" that the liberal won?

I would argue it was FDR. Obama is no FDR--no matter how much the press likes to imagine him to be.

And, I'm not passing this up:

Doctor Fate wrote:Btw, Ricky, nice dodge on my calling your bluff on not being able to find historical precedent for the irrelevance of head-to-head polls.

You said I couldn't and yet I did. Response?

Doctor Fate wrote:Think real hard. When was the last time the US had "a class warfare election" that the liberal won?

I would argue it was FDR. Obama is no FDR--no matter how much the press likes to imagine him to be.

I would agree, and also that there haven't really been many 'class war' elections since him. By an eerie coincidence, one of the examples of an encampment protest took place at the same election, the Bonus Army was there for Hoover and the way they were treated was an issue in the 1932 election.