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Post 04 Jun 2012, 2:46 pm

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No good news for the President. His back is up against the wall. What will the distraction be this week?


It seems to be Romney's job record while governor in Mass and equal pay for equal work for women, no?
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Post 05 Jun 2012, 6:03 am

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It seems to be Romney's job record while governor in Mass and equal pay for equal work for women, no?


Are they not legitmate issues?
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Post 05 Jun 2012, 6:05 am

Not sure about the former, but the latter certainly is.
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Post 05 Jun 2012, 6:16 am

rickyp wrote:ray
It seems to be Romney's job record while governor in Mass and equal pay for equal work for women, no?


Are they not legitmate issues?


Sure; but this is about politics and not governance.
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Post 05 Jun 2012, 6:20 am

An interesting article from this morning on government waste

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 32340.html

The innovation center is supposed to test better ways to deliver and pay for health care than the current fee-for-service system, and the outfit will spend $10 billion over the next decade on awards, grants and contracts. In a recent letter to Congress defending its work, the center touted its "structured clearing process" and "rigorous evaluation of models." But I found there are few safeguards and little transparency in practice.

This January, I was invited to review grant applications for something called the Health Care Innovation Challenge. Local health systems, state Medicaid programs and the like could apply for awards ranging from $1 million to $30 million, with priority for "projects that rapidly hire, train and deploy new types of health care workers." I was selected to become one of the chairmen overseeing the volunteer panels of outside experts. Our grant application reviews were supposed to help the CMMI in making the final award decisions. There were more than 3,000 grant applications in total.
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Post 05 Jun 2012, 6:44 am

A distinction without a difference?
The economy is stalling... Job creation is stalling.
Romney is campaigning saying he'd do better.
In his only stint in elected office his "governance" resulted in comparatively poor job creation performance. (compared to other states)
So I think that is at least on point. (I don't necessarily buy that government can either take too much credit or too much blame for the economy and job performance under its watch, but Romney opens his record as governor for scrutiny when he takes the position that Obama IS responsible for job performance in his tenure...)
So, his record in Mass. is legitimate. Is it distraction when it is exactly on point?

The issue of equal pay a distraction? I guess for men it might be...but for women ? When the reply fro Mitt and his surrogates and spokespeople is about job performance in the economy rather than a direct answer to support/non-support on the bill in Congress, perhaps its the job performance serving as the distraction. (For Mitt)
What aboutery .... a common way to avoid a direct answer.

There is a delicious contradiction in the debate over job performance tied to the debate over expansion of government. Republicans claim Obama is responsible for growth in govenrment even though actual government jobs (at Federal and State levels) have decreased greatly under his watch. I beleive this is mostly the result of republican resistance to added stimulus that would have kept many of those state employees working...
So Obama answers that govenrment didn't grow under his watch, even though if he had his way the stimulus would have kept those teachers and other state employees working and it WOULD have grown.So Obama takes credit for the effect of being stopped from enacting his policy. At the same time republicans argue that employment is down because of Obama's policies and yet if they had voted the stimulus in, employment would be 800,000 jobs better. (Private sector jobs have increased dramtically but govenrment jobs, especially at State and municipal are down...) And they want Obama to be blamed for something that can be shown to be a direct result of their actions...

http://aneconomicsense.com/2012/04/26/p ... nder-bush/
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Post 05 Jun 2012, 7:22 am

I think your smoking something Ricky ... Obama hasn't done anything for productivity which ultimately drives the economy.

Government spending as a % of GDP continues to grow. At the same time, there is a refusal to put straightforward regulations or tax policy in place so that business can be confident in hiring. There's also no will to tackle our long term deficits, and a lack of Presidential leadership.
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Post 05 Jun 2012, 7:33 am

rickyp wrote:A distinction without a difference?
The economy is stalling... Job creation is stalling.
Romney is campaigning saying he'd do better.
In his only stint in elected office his "governance" resulted in comparatively poor job creation performance. (compared to other states)


Impossible to compare the performance of governors. Why?

Romney's unemployment rate went down to 4.7%. What's the current rate? Should we compare that?

No, and it's no more valid to compare Massachusetts to, say, Nevada. Different core businesses, different legislatures, different regulatory regimes.

What the issue should be is this: has Obama, while granting he inherited a difficult situation, done a good job? If you believe he has, you will vote for him. If you don't believe he has, you won't.

But, there is no way to compare Obama and Romney with regard to who did a better job because their jobs are not comparable. Romney had a 90% Democratic legislature. Republican voters, I think, are 12% of the Mass population. MA has a disproportionate tech industry, which took a bit of a beating when he was in office for market reasons. The unions are incredibly powerful in MA by virtue of the virtual hammerlock Democrats have in the legislature.

The issue of equal pay a distraction? I guess for men it might be...but for women ?


Yes, it is a distraction. When women do the same job for the same number of hours, they make the same pay. However, that is often not the situation. If you'd like to have an extended discussion on that, start a forum.
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Post 05 Jun 2012, 7:34 am

Ray Jay wrote:I think your smoking something Ricky ...


. . . and regularly.
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Post 05 Jun 2012, 7:38 am

Ricky:
At the same time republicans argue that employment is down because of Obama's policies and yet if they had voted the stimulus in, employment would be 800,000 jobs better. (Private sector jobs have increased dramtically but govenrment jobs, especially at State and municipal are down...)


This was my favorite part: How do you know that we would be 800,000 jobs better? Because that's what Obama said? I also take issue that private sector jobs have increased dramatically. They should be increasing by over 3% per year in a recovery. That's the long term trend. What's the current rate (I won't look it up and I'm hereby giving you an opportunity to teach me something.)
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Post 05 Jun 2012, 7:39 am

Doctor Fate wrote:
Ray Jay wrote:I think your smoking something Ricky ...


. . . and regularly.


Studies have shown that it is good for the imagination, but bad for your spelling and grammar skills.
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Post 05 Jun 2012, 9:32 am

From Paul Ryan:

Key points from CBO’s Long-Term Budget Outlook:

The Federal government’s unsustainable government spending increase likelihood of a devastating crisis: The CBO report states that “Growing debt also would increase the probability of a sudden fiscal crisis, during which investors would lose confidence in the government’s ability to manage its budget and the government would thereby lose its ability to borrow at affordable rates.”

The CBO report affirms that the massive health-care overhaul fails to address the explosion in health care costs. Mandatory federal spending on health care will increase by 93 percent from 5.4 percent of GDP today to 10.4 percent of GDP over the next 25 years.

The CBO projects that government spending as a share of the economy will increase by nearly 53 percent between now and 2037, up from its historical average of roughly 20 percent. Taxes are projected to rise to the historical average in the years ahead, yet the unprecedented growth in government spending is projected to rise much faster, driving an unsustainable explosion in debt.

The long-term budget outlook continues to worsen with each passing year Congress fails to act. While total debt already eclipsed the size of the entire US economy, debt held by the public is on pace to eclipse the economy shortly after 2022.

The crushing burden of debt is driven primarily by the nation’s largest entitlement programs – Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid – along with the compounding growth in interest payments on the debt. Government spending on health care entitlements, Social Security, and interest on the national debt will consume 100 percent of total revenues by 2025.

According to the CBO report, the federal government’s interest payments alone are projected to consume 9.5 percent of our entire economy by 2037, up from about 1.4 percent today.

The CBO reports warns of the economic consequences of the President and his party’s leaders insistence on increasing tax rates and raising barriers to job creation and economic growth. With the respect to counterproductive efforts to reduce the deficit by increasing tax rates, CBO states that “the extent that additional tax revenues were generated by boosting marginal tax rates, those higher rates would discourage people from working and saving, further reducing output and income.”

To read the full report: http://cbo.gov/publication/43288
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Post 05 Jun 2012, 11:57 am

Ray Jay wrote:I also take issue that private sector jobs have increased dramatically. They should be increasing by over 3% per year in a recovery. That's the long term trend. What's the current rate (I won't look it up and I'm hereby giving you an opportunity to teach me something.)
I did a quick look on the BLS site for a stat, and found this table from the most recent report:

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t14.htm

Based on those figures, non-Government unemployment fell from 12.59M in May 2011 to 11.37M in May 2012.

Non-Agricultural private sectors, and self employment both saw the unemployment rate fal by over 1 point. Agricultural unemployment and government unemployment both rose.

I'm not sure what that means for total employment across the different categories, but clearly private employment is growing.
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Post 05 Jun 2012, 12:01 pm

Ray
This was my favorite part: How do you know that we would be 800,000 jobs better? Because that's what Obama said? I also take issue that private sector jobs have increased dramatically


I linked you to the source. Their source of data was the Bureau of Labour Statistics..
If you have trouble interpreting the graphs on the link provided try the one below.

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/0 ... usterity/#

Ray
I also take issue that private sector jobs have increased dramatically

Just on principle or do you have a source of data different then the Bureau of Labor.?
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Post 05 Jun 2012, 12:07 pm

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Impossible to compare the performance of governors


And yet romney points to his experience as a governor as a positive...
So if its impossible to compare.... what's the point in using it as a "qualification" ?

(And yet I agree that generally politicians are taking too much credit or blame for econmic conditions )