danivon wrote:Doctor Fate wrote:danivon wrote:So you quoted that why? The fact that spreading a virus relied upon incompetence by someone who works in an Iranian nuclear facility is related to Obama how?
Answer the question yourself, Owen. You made it up out of whole cloth, so you might as well finish the quilt.
Did I say Obama was responsible for that quote?
Nope.
Oh, thanks for showing your straw material.
I'm just strugging to see the relevance.
The blind usually struggle to see.
How hacking/virus-spreading works is interesting and everything, but it's not quite the same thing as leaks.
Right, until the Administration
started talking about it.In May 2011, the PBS program Need To Know cited a statement by Gary Samore, White House Coordinator for Arms Control and Weapons of Mass Destruction, in which he said, "we're glad they [the Iranians] are having trouble with their centrifuge machine and that we – the US and its allies – are doing everything we can to make sure that we complicate matters for them", offering "winking acknowledgement" of US involvement in Stuxnet.
But you linked them saying 'it's not a pattern of bragging, it's a pattern of incompetence'.
You know, if you're going to be a hyena's rear, you ought to at least get it right:
If it's not a pattern of bragging, it's a pattern of incompetence
Please note the "if."
Am I wrong?
Sadly, it's your natural state. Nothing I can do about that.
If so, how about you give us the real answer?
I'm pretty sure I already did. However, once is not enough for you. I may have to post it
40 to 50 times before it will penetrate that incredible mass attached to your neck.
From his first months in office, President Obama secretly ordered increasingly sophisticated attacks on the computer systems that run Iran’s main nuclear enrichment facilities, significantly expanding America’s first sustained use of cyberweapons, according to participants in the program.
Mr. Obama decided to accelerate the attacks — begun in the Bush administration and code-named Olympic Games — even after an element of the program accidentally became public in the summer of 2010 because of a programming error that allowed it to escape Iran’s Natanz plant and sent it around the world on the Internet. Computer security experts who began studying the worm, which had been developed by the United States and Israel, gave it a name: Stuxnet.
At a tense meeting in the White House Situation Room within days of the worm’s “escape,” Mr. Obama, Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. and the director of the Central Intelligence Agency at the time, Leon E. Panetta, considered whether America’s most ambitious attempt to slow the progress of Iran’s nuclear efforts had been fatally compromised.
“Should we shut this thing down?” Mr. Obama asked, according to members of the president’s national security team who were in the room.
Now, YOU may doubt Mr. Sanger's ethics and journalistic standards. However, it would not be standard fare for a reporter to quote such a thing if it were via second or third party sources (in other words, "hearsay").
More from page 2:
Mr. Obama, according to participants in the many Situation Room meetings on Olympic Games, was acutely aware that with every attack he was pushing the United States into new territory, much as his predecessors had with the first use of atomic weapons in the 1940s, of intercontinental missiles in the 1950s and of drones in the past decade. He repeatedly expressed concerns that any American acknowledgment that it was using cyberweapons — even under the most careful and limited circumstances — could enable other countries, terrorists or hackers to justify their own attacks.
“We discussed the irony, more than once,” one of his aides said. Another said that the administration was resistant to developing a “grand theory for a weapon whose possibilities they were still discovering.” Yet Mr. Obama concluded that when it came to stopping Iran, the United States had no other choice.
Again, you can think Sanger is lying. However, has the White House asserted he's lying?
Where does all this info come from?
For years the C.I.A. had introduced faulty parts and designs into Iran’s systems — even tinkering with imported power supplies so that they would blow up — but the sabotage had had relatively little effect. General James E. Cartwright, who had established a small cyberoperation inside the United States Strategic Command, which is responsible for many of America’s nuclear forces, joined intelligence officials in presenting a radical new idea to Mr. Bush and his national security team. It involved a far more sophisticated cyberweapon than the United States had designed before.
The goal was to gain access to the Natanz plant’s industrial computer controls. That required leaping the electronic moat that cut the Natanz plant off from the Internet — called the air gap, because it physically separates the facility from the outside world. The computer code would invade the specialized computers that command the centrifuges.
Read the article!
Purple wrote:First: Are you absolutely sure that we never capture any al Qaeda types?
Is there any evidence that we have made any attempt to do so over the past couple of years?
About a year ago, a team was sent into Pakistan to try and capture a well known AQ member, but they ended up killing him because he resisted. You may remember the event, it made the news. Guy's name was Osama Bin Laden I think.
Is that evidence enough?
That's no evidence.
How do you know his capture and not his execution was ordered?You don't. You're just creating more piles of straw. How unusual. Not.
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