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Post 12 Jun 2011, 2:45 pm

While there is probably a tendency among certain elements of the left to think that they 'own' feminism and ethnic minority politics, and therefore to view any women or black people who don't conform to that to be traitors who need to be vilified, I don't think that applies in Palin's case. She really is every bit as crazy as she's made out to be, and the fact that she's become so popular with the Republican grassroots is a genuine concern. Nobody who's that ignorant ought to be anywhere near the running for President, and neither should they have so much influence within a major political party. The fact that Palin clearly does have enormous influence and very well might be in with a shout of winning the nomination if she were to run isn't just deeply worrying, it also serves to make America an international laughing stock.
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Post 12 Jun 2011, 2:55 pm

Sass, have you ever heard a full speech by Palin or more than just a soundbite? I find that all politicians appear to be a lot smarter when you hear a full clip as opposed to a media hatchet job. Obama seems like an idiot when presented on Fox, but if I see him live or read the text of a speech, he comes across as s a very bright guy. With Palin, when I've heard her speak as a commentator she doesn't come across as "crazy" to me. It's only when John Stewart or someone else cuts and pastes that she appears that way. I'm not saying that she is very bright; but she isn't an idiot, and she isn't crazy. I'm just saying that if Albert Einstein gave a 30 minute speech, the media could make him look like an idiot by taking the worst 10 seconds of it.

It's actually a very worrying trend as it contributes to our polarization.
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Post 12 Jun 2011, 7:55 pm

danivon, you say there was no such media circus back then...no kidding. So you agree then that there has in fact been nobody who has faced anything like this?

sass, maybe you are simply buying into the media bias we are complaining about? Your statement of "facts" seem to indicate just that. While I am no big fan of Palin, she isn't as bad as you want to think. (or more likely, are led to believe)
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Post 13 Jun 2011, 5:55 am

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Sass, have you ever heard a full speech by Palin or more than just a soundbite?


On the other hand, Tina Fey brought the house down on SNL by giving a word for word , 5 minute presentation of a Palin speech - copying every mannerism and affectation.

In an unscripted and unedited enviroment Plain is exposed as someone who usually either has a surface understanding at best of what she is discussing - or as someone who refuses to acknowledge the question with a direct answer. Palins' problem isn't that unscrupulous media can edit her comments into humourous or unintelligle hash. It's that far too oftern they don't need to do any editing.
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Post 13 Jun 2011, 6:03 am

and did you actually compare the two "speeches" yes, pretty much word for word, many mannerisms were copied as well...she's VERY good, but inflection added here and there makes a pretty big difference doesn't it? Palin's speech was fine, yes Tina Fey made it funny, but Palin's speech was fine as it was and her's was not comical. If you want to compare the two as being equal, then you do nothing but help prove the point. Such blaring ignorance in any attempt to say someone would fully appreciate what Palin has to say by listening to a comedians impression is absolutely fantastic! You help us make a point every time you attempt to slam the woman, you are buying into the media circus nonsense.
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Post 13 Jun 2011, 6:09 am

and she avoided giving a direct answer to a question or two?
Uhhhh, want me to find dozens of questions Obama has failed to answer (or Clinton, or Bush, or any politician for that matter)?

Unintelligible hash?
So when SHE has a slight stutter or pause, that's "unintelligible hash" but Obama doesn't stutter in his answers? The man does it CONSTANTLY, seems like you are calling the kettle black to me.
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Post 13 Jun 2011, 6:14 am

Really Tom? You'd like to go back through the vaults and review all the Palinisms to se which ones were taken out of context and which ones are "free range". The reason the majority of Americans have a negative opinion of Palin is that they've been exposed to the unvarnished (and unedited) Palin repeatedly...

Q: Brandon Garcia wants to know, “What does the Vice President do?”

PALIN: That’s something that Piper would ask me! … [T]hey’re in charge of the U.S. Senate so if they want to they can really get in there with the senators and make a lot of good policy changes that will make life better for Brandon and his family and his classroom
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Post 13 Jun 2011, 7:00 am

Whoa, changing the goalposts pal!
You are the one who wants to make the claim that Tina Fey's impersonation of a Palin speech is all one would need to fully understand Sara Palin. You then go on to talk about her "unintelligible hash"

NOW you want to talk about her "Palinism's" and what was taken out of context
Excuse me, you made zero reference to any such thing. Now you want to make such a comment as if it refutes something I had said????

and the post above
so what? You once again show how badly this is covered by the media
She is answering a freaking CHILD'S question, she is speaking to the CHILD and her answer is aimed at a CHILD, it's not so bad, what's so damned bad about the answer, so bad you felt like had to post it to prove some sort of point?
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Post 13 Jun 2011, 7:08 am

an Obama Quote WHILE TALKING TO CHILDREN:
"And no matter what grade you’re in, some of you are probably wishing it were still summer, and you could’ve stayed in bed just a little longer this morning."
I have no problem with the quote, but if you want to pose it as if made to an adult or an "how can I take this guy seriously" quote as you did with Palins above, then it falls right in line. I have no problem with his comment, I have no problem with her answer. Imagine if Palin had said this, you would be all over her.
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Post 13 Jun 2011, 7:41 am

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She is answering a freaking CHILD'S question, she is speaking to the CHILD and her answer is aimed at a CHILD, it's not so bad, what's so damned bad about the answer, so bad you felt like had to post it to prove some sort of point?


Because the answer is wrong.
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Post 13 Jun 2011, 7:47 am

Ricky, have you ever listened to an entire speech or commentary by Palin?
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Post 13 Jun 2011, 7:51 am

you betcha.
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Post 13 Jun 2011, 9:21 am

rickyp wrote:you betcha.


I'm sure that is the extent of what you've listened to.

Here's the thing: could she win? Probably not.

However, I would vote for Ricky's dog if he was American born over the current President. Not because of personal animus against the President (contra Danielivon), but because of sheer incompetence. I would hope the Richard's puppy would hire advisers who knew something about jobs, instead of the Leftist know-nothings Obama has surrounded himself with. Obama has not done the job and shows no signs of being able to do it.

Back on topic:

How about that frenzy!

The trove of more than 13,000 emails detailing almost every aspect of Sarah Palin’s governorship of Alaska, released late on Friday, paints a picture of her as an idealistic, conscientious, humorous and humane woman slightly bemused by the world of politics.

One can only assume that the Left-leaning editors who dispatched teams of reporters to remote Juneau, the Alaskan capital, to pore over the emails in the hope of digging up a scandal are now viewing the result as a rather poor return on their considerable investment.

If anything, Mrs Palin seems likely to emerge from the scrutiny of the 24,000 pages, contained in six boxes and weighing 275 pounds, with her reputation considerably enhanced. As a blogger at Powerline noted, the whole saga might come to be viewed as “an embarrassment for legacy media”.

Mrs Palin, who suddenly resigned as Alaska governor in July 2009, is no longer a public official. She holds no position in the Republican party. Despite the media hubbub that surrounds her every move, she is unlikely to be a candidate for the White House in 2012.


This guy nails it--the priorities are all upside down:

Transparency advocates doubtlessly breathed a sigh of satisfaction that sunlight-disinfectant was being applied to a government figure. And people with any sense of political proportion were left with an additional thought: When is this journalistic scrutiny going to be applied to politicians who wield actual power?

For instance, one might nominate the president of the United States for such attention. On Saturday, June 4, in his weekly radio address, Barack Obama did what he has consistently done since taking the oath of office: fudged reality to make his policies sound better.

In a premature victory lap over his controversial bailout of Detroit automakers, the president made the highly dubious assertion that not taking over Chrysler and General Motors would have "put a million people out of work," a claim resting on the notion that "bankruptcy" equals "liquidation," which it does not.

He said, both presumptively and inaccurately, that "we're making sure America can out-build, out-innovate, and out-compete the rest of the world." And he gave the distinct -- and distinctly false -- impression that Chrysler has repaid every dime of what it owes American taxpayers, mostly by saying "Chrysler has repaid every dime and more of what it owes American taxpayers for their support during my presidency -- and it repaid that money six years ahead of schedule."

Glenn Kessler, who writes "The Fact Checker" blog for the Washington Post website, described Obama's address as "one of the most misleading collections of assertions we have seen in a short presidential speech. Virtually every claim by the president regarding the auto industry needs an asterisk."

A president misleading the public on one of his most crucial policies at a time when Americans are increasingly anxious about the economy sounds kind of newsworthy, no? Well, don't tell the editors of the New York Times -- they were too busy nailing down this important story:"Palin Says She Didn't Err on Paul Revere."

What's particularly odd about the media's disproportionate fascination with Sarah Palin is that it comes coupled with a palpable journalistic fear that we're not challenging Sarah Palin enough.

Three weeks ago, the journalism navel-gazing community was abuzz over an academic study of more than 700 news articles and 20 network news segments from 2009 that addressed a single controversial claim of the health care reform debate.

Was it President Obama's oft-repeated whopper that he was nobly pushing the reform rock up the hill despite the concentrated efforts of health care"special interests?" Was it his oft-repeated promise that "If you like your health care plan, you will be able to keep your health care plan," something that is getting even less true by the minute? Was it the way Obama and the Democrats brazenly gamed and misrepresented the Congressional Budget Office's price-tag scoring of the bill?

No. The cause for Obamacare-coverage reconsideration was not the truth-stretching claims made by a president seeking to radically reshape an important aspect of American life, but rather the Facebook commentary of ... Sarah Palin. "In more than 60 percent of the cases," the authors found, "it's obvious that newspapers abstained from calling [Palin's] death panels claim false." Horrors.

There is no shortage of politicians deserving to have their e-mails combed through, no dearth of urgent stories that could benefit from the kind of journalistic enthusiasm we saw Friday afternoon.

Did you know that a reported dozen armed agents kicked down a guy's door at 6 a.m. this week in Stockton, California, and handcuffed him in his boxer shorts in front of his three bawling pre-teen kids -- to execute a search warrant for the Department of Education involving suspected loan fraud by his allegedly estranged wife? You wouldn't if you get your news from the Sacramento Bee, San Jose Mercury News, San Francisco Chronicle, or L.A. Times, California's biggest newspapers.

But fear not! Now we know that "The 'First Dude' played a particularly influential role in the administration" of a short-term, small-state governor. The lessons for Michelle Obama, then, are clear: If you want the non-Amtrak media to give you attention, they're going to need to hate your husband a little more.
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Post 13 Jun 2011, 10:24 am

GMTom wrote:"fame" in regards to the crazy media frenzy surrounding them. These examples were of very short term "noteriety" as far as a media circus surrounding them. They were famous and still are, you are purposely trying to avoid the obvious. Please point to a media crazy circus that followed them for a long period of time as the poster who had suggested these people, not a short time one that followed a particular event.


John Adams was lambasted in the press for the entirety of his 4 years in office. It was particuarly bad in the 1796 and 1800 elections but it didn't stop between the elections. The entire purpose of the Sedtion Act (of the Alien and Sedition Acts) was the attempt of the Federalist party controlled Gov't to stifle the worst of the Democratic-Republican press.
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Post 13 Jun 2011, 10:28 am

Oh, Russell, you and your facts!