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Post 21 Apr 2013, 12:51 pm

They used flash-bangs, negotiators, and securing a neighborhood.

To ask officers to second guess training, and decide to shoot in locations other than "center of body mass" is asking for police endangerment. Am I glad he was captured? Damn right I am. I want all the information I can get out of him. He is a US citizen, and gets the rights thereof. There have been US citizens declared "enemy combatants", Allah help him if that occurs...
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Post 21 Apr 2013, 1:36 pm

Dr. Fate:
The only thing I think they got right: the lockdown of Boston. Against all odds, the suspect remained in Boston (well, okay, Watertown) and they got him.


I get why they would lock down Watertown (where I used to live, BTW) and surrounding towns (such as Cambridge, Newtorn, and Waltham), but I don't see why they locked down Boston. If they shut down the MBTA, how realistic is it that he would get into Boston? There are a lot of people who work in Boston.
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Post 21 Apr 2013, 2:06 pm

Ray Jay wrote:Dr. Fate:
The only thing I think they got right: the lockdown of Boston. Against all odds, the suspect remained in Boston (well, okay, Watertown) and they got him.


I get why they would lock down Watertown (where I used to live, BTW) and surrounding towns (such as Cambridge, Newtorn, and Waltham), but I don't see why they locked down Boston. If they shut down the MBTA, how realistic is it that he would get into Boston? There are a lot of people who work in Boston.


Because it makes any movement easy to spot.

There just is not another major city that could do what what Boston did because of the ingress/egress issues.
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Post 21 Apr 2013, 2:28 pm

Doctor Fate wrote:Agreed, on all except the "why" question. Isn't that plain?
Why not a Russian target? Why the marathon (had they watched "Four Lions and not realised it was a parody?)? There's the simplistic "jihad" reason which may explain the motivation, but there are layers there as well.
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Post 21 Apr 2013, 2:56 pm

danivon wrote:
Doctor Fate wrote:Agreed, on all except the "why" question. Isn't that plain?
Why not a Russian target? Why the marathon (had they watched "Four Lions and not realised it was a parody?)? There's the simplistic "jihad" reason which may explain the motivation, but there are layers there as well.


Because the ultimate jihadist guide to the Universe says "kill the infidel."

This wasn't Chechen nationalism. It was Islamism.
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Post 21 Apr 2013, 4:42 pm

The lockdown may have only delayed the capture as the boat owner was sheltering inside as ordered. Short term I don't think it was unreasonable of law enforcement to make the lockdown call.

I don't think delaying Miranda is a problem either if you are willing to treat anything said as inadmissible. Given all the evidence pre-arrest they don't need his testimony to successfully prosecute.
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Post 21 Apr 2013, 6:05 pm

This is interesting. http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2013/0 ... story.html
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Post 21 Apr 2013, 10:05 pm

I wonder how many lawyers in NE are right now licking their chops hoping to defend Tsarnaev and make a name for themselves?
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Post 22 Apr 2013, 3:47 am

you couldn't pay me enough. I would think it is also dangerous.
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Post 22 Apr 2013, 6:31 am

I couldn't do it. I would have to have a reasonable belief of innocence.
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Post 22 Apr 2013, 7:19 am

bbauska wrote:I couldn't do it. I would have to have a reasonable belief of innocence.


Ditto, but in the unlikely event the AG decides younger brother is to face the death penalty, I'm sure many will want to represent him.
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Post 22 Apr 2013, 7:30 am

Does MA have the death penalty? I thought they didn't.
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Post 22 Apr 2013, 7:40 am

bbauska wrote:Does MA have the death penalty? I thought they didn't.

We don't. The legislature has, as usual, stopped us from voting.

However, this is a Federal crime.
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Post 22 Apr 2013, 7:51 am

OK, I agree there. I misinterpreted "the AG" as being the AG of Mass.
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Post 22 Apr 2013, 7:58 am

I would also have great difficulty defending this person, however, I was watching tv and something similar was brought up regarding doctors treating him. I don't think I would have trouble with that (though not being a doctor, I guess I will never have to face that situation)