I miss Redscape. Wonderful discussion.

I must say the effort to defend my president for his remarks concerning the plant in Janesville are reminiscent of 13th century scholasticism. My president said what he said at the time because it was convenient for him to do so. He made promises. He didn't keep them. Who cares? It's disappointing but this is what ALL politicians do, especially when they are trying to win an election. Didn't Blip Romney say he's going to create 12 million jobs recently? Now C'Mon Blip. 12 million? Wow! He said this or something similar because right now it's convenient for him to say such a thing. They ALL lie gentlemen. ALL of them. Get over the lies. It's part of the job.

Remember when my president said he was going to change Washington DC? That things would no longer be done the same way in DC if he were to be elected? Remember that one? Then what does he do? He chooses Joe Lidden as VP? THE quintessential DC operative. Is someone kidding me? But wait there's more....shortly after he turns around and gives Hillary the nod for Secretary of State? If it weren't so comical it would be downright sad. Wait, it is sad.

We do NOT elect Presidents in this country because of what they say gentlemen. We elect Presidents based on how they say what they say and, as I've stated earlier, how they look. Ryan looks good. If Blip really turns out to be a blip on the radar screen of history, and I think he will, the same will not hold true for Ryan.

We will see much more of this young GOP padawan in the future.

Ray Jay wrote:As I understand it, Ryan came forth (quickly) on the Marathon fib prior to the press sniffed it out. That's got to count for something, right?

It's certainly mitigation.

Ray Jay wrote:As I understand it, Ryan came forth (quickly) on the Marathon fib prior to the press sniffed it out. That's got to count for something, right?

Now, if he'd only said something sensible . . . like how you can't go into a convenience store in his state without an Indian accent, THEN he'd be qualified to be VP.

He could have talked about Romney being the first mainstream Mormon who is articulate and clean.

freeman2 wrote:Well, the public has known Biden a long time and the incidents involving plagiarism took place what in 1988? Ryan's dishonesty is much more recent. Blah, blah, blah--what kind of argument is that--I am certain that you did not plagiarize that.

Well, first off you are really trying to argue that exaggerating how well you did in a running race is worse then copying the words of another in a speech not matter how long ago? I just want to make sure of that.

Second, then shall we talk about a candidate who said his parents met at an historic event that happend 4 years after he was born. Or the fact that a family member supposedly freed Auschwitz when he was too young to have fought in the war?

Really Freeman. You want to pick on these stupid inane issues.

I don't think a politican having a habit of lying is a stupid or inane issue (remember Nixon?). When you do something repeatedly it becomes an issue. Biden has built up a reputation in saying outrageous things--it colors how people view him. Ryan just made a speech with some questionable assertions and then follows that up with a lie about an athletic triumph I don't think it has reached a point where it is an issue--yet. But if it keeps happening then yes it will become a serious issue.

Janesville did stop making vehicles in 2008:

http://gazettextra.com/photos/galleries ... y-gm/3119/

I guess the local paper would know.

Ray Jay wrote:He could have talked about Romney being the first mainstream Mormon who is articulate and clean.

archduke

Or the fact that a family member supposedly freed Auschwitz when he was too young to have fought in the war?

Your not talking about Obama here are you? Because that old nugget was corrected years ago...

Senator Obama's family is proud of the service of his grandfather and uncles in World War II - especially the fact that his great uncle was a part of liberating one of the concentration camps at Buchenwald. Yesterday he mistakenly referred to Auschwitz instead of Buchenwald in telling of his personal experience of a soldier in his family who served heroically," said Obama campaign spokesman Bill Burton this afternoon in a statement, which also clarified that the great-uncle "Served in the 89th Infantry Division that Liberated Ohrdruf, a Subcamp of Buchenwald, the First Camp Liberated by Americans, on April 4, 1945

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/200 ... ratio.html

danivon wrote:Janesville did stop making vehicles in 2008:

http://gazettextra.com/photos/galleries ... y-gm/3119/

I guess the local paper would know.

From your link:

Photos of workers during GM's last day of SUV production.

Wikipedia:

57 production employees continued assembly work at the Janesville Assembly until April 2009, completing the GM/Isuzu light truck partnership and then an additional 40 to 50 "skilled trade employees" worked to decommission the plant.

You lose.

rickyp wrote:archduke

Or the fact that a family member supposedly freed Auschwitz when he was too young to have fought in the war?

Your not talking about Obama here are you? Because that old nugget was corrected years ago...

Senator Obama's family is proud of the service of his grandfather and uncles in World War II - especially the fact that his great uncle was a part of liberating one of the concentration camps at Buchenwald. Yesterday he mistakenly referred to Auschwitz instead of Buchenwald in telling of his personal experience of a soldier in his family who served heroically," said Obama campaign spokesman Bill Burton this afternoon in a statement, which also clarified that the great-uncle "Served in the 89th Infantry Division that Liberated Ohrdruf, a Subcamp of Buchenwald, the First Camp Liberated by Americans, on April 4, 1945

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/200 ... ratio.html

It's understandable that Obama could make such an error. After all, why would he think a relative of his did not serve in the Soviet army that liberated Auschwitz? Also, he gave the original comment as he was getting off a plane under sniper fire in Bosnia, I believe.

He has so much integrity! The man who is a Christian and takes the idea of being "our brother's keeper" to mean that the government is responsible to raise taxes while not helping his actual brother out? While his aunt lives here on the taxpayer dole and his uncle skates on a DUI? That's integritty!

rickyp wrote:Your not talking about Obama here are you? Because that old nugget was corrected years ago...

That was exactly the point. Freeman is picking one of the most inanely stupid things in such a blatantly partisan manner. Yet, if the old boards were still available, I am sure we could find Freeman's dismissal/complaints about picking on the inane misspeaks of Obama in 2008

fate
You lose.

Paul Ryan seems less certain then you.
On Sunday
"What they are trying to suggest is that I said Barack Obama was responsible for the plant shutdown in Janesville. That is not what I was saying, read the speech," he told NBC's "Today."

Ricktp, with all due respect, your post has nothing to with WHEN the plant closed, so pipe down. WHWN was the issue under discussion.

If you disagree, please point to where I said it was Obama's fault. Otherwise, try some 5-hour energy drink.

I'm pointing out that Ryan, who you are defending, has backed away from the essential point you seem to be tirelessly defending.
If he doesn't blame Obama for the plant closing, what's the point for the quibbling about when it closed or how many staff were retained to decommission the plant?