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Post 12 Sep 2014, 11:55 am

Ray Jay wrote:Ricky:
In reality the situation was not so dire. The enemy was poorly organized, poorly equipped, poorly lead, and nothing was coordinated between all the component armies..


You've gone off the deep end with your revisionist history. The reality is that a tiny country that was just formed, was poorly equipped and facing an arms embargo, and had a large part of its population aligned against it with several surrounding armed countries with something like 50X its population and a greater percentage of military equipment who were saying that they want to kill all Jews in the new country. Israel survived against all odds. It was a modern day miracle.
The Arab armies sent numbered about half that fielded by the Israeli Defence Forces. Both sides had access to military equipment of pretty much the same quality (and so if Israel had less percentage it could easily have had the same numbers of things like tanks and planes etc). The Arab nations were not that stable - some only recently having achieved independence themselves and not all internally secure (so also newly formed). All sides had issues with training (equipment is one thing, but training another) but the core of the IDF and IAF was made up of people who had fought in WWII. And there was not that much of an arms embargo - planes came from Czechoslovakia in particular, including Avias and Spitfires as well as bombers.

The fight was more even than the romantic picture you appear to have been told. "Miracles" are really mainly the result of something more mundane.

Now you can say the enemy was poorly everything. But then ... OMG ... the Israelis were scared for all of their lives.
Yes, losing would likely have been a complete disaster. Winning was a disaster of a different kind for the Palestinians. The Arab nations have largely passed on their losses. But the Arab armies were indeed poorly prepared as well as having less incentive.
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Post 12 Sep 2014, 12:18 pm

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You can believe what you want to believe but if you want to convince other people you need to marshall facts, evidence , convincing arguments


I'll refer you to the work of Benny Morris and Baruch Kimmerling....They've done the detail that you crave to examine...
I'll quote Kemmerling in part as a start... But obviously where Morris published two books, and Kemmerling at least one before he died, there's muchmuch more that they've documented that supports what I've said.

At the beginning of the 1970s. I had begun to work on research at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, which, I hoped, would produce a Ph.D. thesis in sociology. The subject was the Zionist ideology of land and its relationship to other political doctrines. In the earlier stages of my research, I was shocked to discover that a major “purification” of the land (the term “ethnic cleansing” was unknown in that period) from its Arab Palestinian inhabitant was done during the 1948 War by the Jewish military and para-military forces. During this research I found, solely based on Israeli sources, that about 350 Arab villages were “abandoned” and their 3.25 million dunums of rural land, were confiscated and became. in several stages, the property of the Israeli state or the Jewish National Fund. I also found that Moshe Dayan, then Minister of Agriculture, disclosed that about 700,000 Arabs who “left” the territories had owned four million dunums of land.
The conclusion was that, as in many other cases, what seemed at first glance a pure and limited military doctrine, proved itself in the case of “Plan D” to comprise far-reaching measures that lead to a complete demographic, ethnic, social and political transformation of Palestine. Implementing the spirit of this doctrine, the Jewish military forces conquered about 20,000 square kilometers of territory (compared with the 14,000 square kilometers granted them by the UN Partition Resolution) and purified them almost completely from their Arab inhabitants. About 800,000 Arab inhabitants lived on the territories before they fell under Jewish control following the 1948 war. Fewer than 100,000 Arabs remained there under Jewish control after the cease fire. An additional 50,000 were included within the Israeli state’s territory following the Israeli-Jordan’s armistice agreements that transferred several villages to Israeli rule.


The military doctrine, the base of Plan D, clearly reflected the local Zionist ideological aspirations to acquire a maximal Jewish territorial continuum, cleansed from Arab presence, as a necessary condition for establishing an exclusive Jewish nation-state.


http://electronicintifada.net/content/t ... rview/4968
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Post 12 Sep 2014, 1:48 pm

No this is just the usual conclusory stuff. You need letters, orders, diaries and other documentary evidence showing the Israeli plan and how it was carried out . Testimony from Israeli soldiers and leaders. Testimony from Palestinian civilians and soldiers. You need to start with at least extensive oral histories of Palestinians and find out them from directly why they left. You need dates, places, Israeli army units involved. From what I can tell Palestinians were forced out of a few places, but most them left because of a generalized fear of war and/or breakdown of society due to the war. That interpretation is based on a lack of evidence from any source that there were large-scale forced evacuations or even evidence that the Palestinians voluntarily fled because Israeli units were going from town to town forcing Palestinians to leave and that caused nearby towns to leave. Basically, the Palestinians left for the most part because they did not want to deal with the hazards of war (which is understandable), they expected to come back when Israel was inevitably defeated, and then Israel did not let them come back.
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Post 12 Sep 2014, 3:29 pm

Danivon:
The fight was more even than the romantic picture you appear to have been told.


Save your condescension for others. I'm going on what I've read.

The Arab armies sent numbered about half that fielded by the Israeli Defence Forces. Both sides had access to military equipment of pretty much the same quality (and so if Israel had less percentage it could easily have had the same numbers of things like tanks and planes etc).


In 1947 pre-Israel did not have access to the same quality of equipment. They did not have an air force or navy. They did not have mechanized tanks. Part of the miracle is the equipment and manpower they were able to obtain in 47 and 48 in spite of the British blockade.

Hindsight is 20:20. But the Arabs had more people, better terrain, and better supply routes. They surrounded the tiny country. Yes their countries were new as well (although modern Egypt achieved independence in 1922)

War is a crapshoot. You just don't know what is going to happen. Your foreign ministry thought it would go the other way. So did the CIA (but they get stuff wrong all the time :) ) The Arabs certainly predicted their own victory. I think it is important to note that Israel also could have lost a war of attrition over a few years. That's been a fear for a long time. How does a much smaller country stab mobilized.

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Post 13 Sep 2014, 10:26 am

Now the remaining puzzle was if this depopulation was a “natural” consequence of the war, which led the Arab populations to flee the country, as Israel officially states all the time while simultaneously accusing the Arab leadership of encouraging this flight, or if it was an intentional Jewish policy to acquire the maximum amount of territory with minimum amount of Arab population. Further research showed that the military blueprint for the 1948 war was the so-called “Plan D” (Tochnit Daleth). General Yigael Yadin, Head of the Operations Branch of the Israeli unified armed forces, launched it on March 10, 1948. The plan expected military clashes between the state- making Jewish community of colonial Palestine with the Arab community and the assumed intervention by military forces of the Arab states. In the plan’s preamble, Yadin stated:

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No this is just the usual conclusory stuff. You need letters, orders, diaries and other documentary evidence showing the Israeli plan and how it was carried out

How do you think Kemmerling and Morris get to their conclusions?
They discuss in depth in their books "Plan D" . I don'thave room to quote the depth of evidence they both produced... However...
From the link I provided

The aim of this plan is the control of the area of the Jewish State and the defense of its borders [as determined by the UN Partition Plan] and the clusters of [Jewish] settlements outside the boundaries, against regular and irregular enemy forces operating from bases outside and inside the Jewish State.
Furthermore, the plan suggested the following actions, amongst others, in order to reach these goals:
Actions against enemy settlements located in our, or near our, defense systems [i.e., Jewish settlement and localities] with the aim of preventing their use as bases for active armed forces. These actions should be divided into the following types: The destruction of villages (by fire, blowing up and mining) - especially of those villages over which we cannot gain [permanent] control. Gaining of control will be accomplished in accordance with the following instructions: The encircling of the village and the search of it. In the event of resistance - the destruction of the resisting forces and the expulsion of the population beyond the boundaries of the State.


These aren't Arabs, they are both respected Israelis academics who gained access to documents of State in the 80s.....
Now, thats without incorporating the testimony of the Palestinians who were forced out of their homes, or of the documented masscares that occured in several places ...
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Post 13 Sep 2014, 10:36 am

The morality of the occupation and the methods of occupation by Israel isn't just questioned by outsiders or Arabs...
Today:
Forty-three current and former reservists belonging to an elite Israeli military unit signed an open letter refusing to serve in the occupied Palestinian territories, citing alleged abuses of civilians living in the region, according to media reports.

“We, veterans of Unit 8200, reserve soldiers both past and present, declare that we refuse to take part in actions against Palestinians and refuse to continue serving as tools in deepening the military control over the Occupied Territories,” the reservists, belonging to Unit 8200 -- an army intelligence unit comparable to the United State’s National Security Agency -- said in a letter addressed to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

http://www.ibtimes.com/israeli-soldiers ... ds-1687836

(Reuters) - More than 50 former Israeli soldiers have refused to serve in the nation's reserve force, citing regret over their part in a military they said plays a central role in oppressing Palestinians, the Washington Post reported on Wednesday.

"We found that troops who operate in the occupied territories aren’t the only ones enforcing the mechanisms of control over Palestinian lives. In truth, the entire military is implicated. For that reason, we now refuse to participate in our reserve duties, and we support all those who resist being called to service," the soldiers wrote in a petition posted online and first reported by the newspaper.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/07/ ... WC20140723

and if you accept Amnesty international as unbiased, the report linked documents a continuation of israelis behaviour, including expulsions.
http://www.amnesty.org/en/region/israel ... eport-2012
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Post 13 Sep 2014, 11:20 am

Ricky:
Further research showed that the military blueprint for the 1948 war was the so-called “Plan D” (Tochnit Daleth). General Yigael Yadin, Head of the Operations Branch of the Israeli unified armed forces, launched it on March 10, 1948. ... How do you think Kemmerling and Morris get to their conclusions?
They discuss in depth in their books "Plan D" .


If you read Chapter 4 of Morris's book "1948: A History of the First Arab-Israeli War" you'll find that the Israeli Leadership (Ben-Gurion, the Haganah) did not decide to implement the plan. Some aspects of it evolved. In many cases (more than 1/2?) the Arabs / Palestinians voluntarily left

In any case, let's be clear hear. The new country Israel had just undergone a civil war with its Arab (I'm not sure they were considered "Palestinians" at that point) minority. The Arab minority called for support from the neighboring countries to defeat the Jews.

War is not heads I win / tails you lose. War is the gamble that both sides take. The Arabs in general and the Arabs living in Palestine should have accepted the partition plan. The 1947 lines for Israel were tiny, as you can see from the map that I sent. The Jews accepted them. The Arabs decided to roll the dice.

Face it, there are very few Israelis who will accept more than a token right of return. If your view and the Palestinian view is that is not negotiable, then so be it. There won't be an agreement. Hey my family lived on a nice farm in Western Germany. We've moved on. Time for the Palestinians to do the same.
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Post 13 Sep 2014, 11:31 am

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By the end of 1948, the Israel Defense Forces had 88,033 soldiers, including 60,000 combat soldiers


Sure, but the war started in 1947 and the Israeli strength increased quite a bit after that as they tried to out maneuver the embargo; the embargo didn't end until May 1948. Anyone who has any experience in military matters would tell you that integrating new soldiers who may not speak your language and come from many different countries, many of whom are refugees from horrid situations, are not battle ready from day 1.

Ricky:
Just as I've said that the disappearance of up to 700,000 Palestinians from lands they occupied was an expulsion, not simply them all deciding to leave.


What % of the 700,000 were expelled and what % voluntarily left? It certainly isn't 100% in either direction.
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Post 13 Sep 2014, 1:42 pm

Here is the text of Plan D. http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jso ... Dalet.html

A couple of things should be noted. This is a military plan designed to ensure the survival of the Jewish state. Clearly, the plan indicates a distrust of the Palestinian community, considered them to be a potential enemy and at the very least a population that had to be controlled. The provisions of the plan did not call for expulsions of Palestinian villages that did not resist. As a military plan designed to ensure national survival, I think the idea that it was a hidden plan to ethnically cleanse Arabs from Jewish areas to be far-fetched. Jewish leaders were concerned that these Arab villages would aid enemy forces so they came up with a plan to control the population. Was that an unreasonable step to take given that these Arab villages for the most part presumably supported the invading Arab forces, Ricky?
Here is a interesting discussion (I think from a Jewish) perspective about the issue.
http://www.middleeastpiece.com/expulsion_necessary.html

Plan D does not support an ethnic cleansing charge. The Palestinian supported a war to get rid of the Jewish state. The actual number of military expulsions appears relatively low (I say that for one thing because I cannot find any estimates from the pro-Palestinian press at to military expulsions but only saw a figure of 508 expelled or left voluntarily and just the paucity of any sources about significant numbers of Arab towns whose inhabitants were expelled). Anyway, to the extent that they were expelled or left because Israel was spreading propaganda it was done because Israel wanted to win a war they were far from sure they could win. As the war went on perhaps anger at Jewish casualties perhaps led to a few expulsions not based on military necessity (apparently this is conceded by Israel) But the 700,000 who left Israel did not do so because of a plan of ethnic cleansing and it would never would have happened if the Palestinian community had not insisted on war. Actions have consequences.

And Ricky you like to quote Israelis who are sympathetic to the Palestinians. You think that is a powerful argumentative technique to quote Israelis who differ from the party line. That just shows that Israel is a Western state which tolerates diverse views and whose culture is far more similar to ours than Palestinian culture. Where is the Palestinian who sympathizes with the Israeli point of view?
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Post 14 Sep 2014, 3:28 am

Ricky has talked about the pro-Israel bias in the western and especially US press. However, there are others who discuss an anti-Israel bias per this feature. I don't think the bias is as strong as either side suggests, but I do think this feature about a Canadian born Israeli journalist makes some interesting points which I quote below. BTW, Haaretz is considered a left-leaning Israeli newspaper.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/features/.premium-1.615621

“The people who make the decisions at the newspapers – I speak from direct experience – are hostile toward Israel. They see themselves as part of an ideological alliance that includes NGOs and UN agencies.

“The move in social circles that are pro-Palestinian and hostile toward Israel and, and they see journalism not as a way to explain the complex story to people but as a political weapon with which they arm one side in the conflict,” he writes. . ...

“Another reason is that they have a kind of guilt about being white and Western, and Israel is perceived as a white country and the Palestinians are perceived as not white. And most Western journalists never heard of the fact that there are Sephardi or Mizrahi Jews.” ...

Friedman points out in his article that there’s nearly “no real analysis of Palestinian society or ideologies, profiles of armed Palestinian groups, or investigation of Palestinian government. Palestinians are not taken seriously as agents of their own fate.

“The West has decided that Palestinians should want a state alongside Israel, so that opinion is attributed to them as fact, though anyone who has spent time with actual Palestinians understands that things are (understandably, in my opinion) more complicated. Who they are and what they want is not important: The story mandates that they exist as passive victims of the party that matters.”

Gross, in our meeting in Tel Aviv, says he believes the anti-Israeli rhetoric promotes the entrenchment of the Palestinians and deters them from making the compromises necessary to achieve any long-lasting solution with Israel. ...

Another problem, according to Friedman, is the revolving door between the profession of journalism and political involvement – in other words, the movement of people from journalism to large international NGOs or the United Nations.

“The journalists do not see those organizations or the UN as subjects to cover even though they are the strongest players working here,” he says. “There is no critical coverage of the UN even though it is swollen, inefficient and often corrupt.”
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Post 14 Sep 2014, 5:52 am

Ray Jay wrote:Danivon:
The fight was more even than the romantic picture you appear to have been told.


Save your condescension for others. I'm going on what I've read.
Have you read that at the outset of the 1948 war, Ben Gurion was advised (based on what we now know are over-estimates of Arab strength, but even so) that the chances were even?

This is not about condescending, it's about trying to see if you can accept that there is more to it than the standard story.

The Arab armies sent numbered about half that fielded by the Israeli Defence Forces. Both sides had access to military equipment of pretty much the same quality (and so if Israel had less percentage it could easily have had the same numbers of things like tanks and planes etc).


In 1947 pre-Israel did not have access to the same quality of equipment. They did not have an air force or navy. They did not have mechanized tanks. Part of the miracle is the equipment and manpower they were able to obtain in 47 and 48 in spite of the British blockade.
But the Arab armies did not invade until 1948, and the blockade was regularly broken before and especially after then. The British blockade was not going to be foolproof (and we were a war-weary nation trying to seal a place with open sea on one side and difficult to close borders to the south). It had been being broken all the way before then, during the 1944-7 uprising. Besides, much of the blockade was aimed at trying to stop illegal emigration to Israel, and that was failing due to the images of soldiers and sailors repulsing and capturing Holocaust survivors, and to the realisation that whatever the outcome, the Mandate was going to have to be abandoned.

Israel had an arms deal with Czechoslovakia from January 1948, and all that was needed was for the British to pull out so the materiel could be delivered. Which they were doing a few months later. Also, there were planes etc in a state of disrepair left behind by the British that were reconditioned.

Hindsight is 20:20. But the Arabs had more people, better terrain, and better supply routes. They surrounded the tiny country. Yes their countries were new as well (although modern Egypt achieved independence in 1922)
Hindsight is 20:20, indeed. But

War is a crapshoot. You just don't know what is going to happen. Your foreign ministry thought it would go the other way. So did the CIA (but they get stuff wrong all the time :) ) The Arabs certainly predicted their own victory. I think it is important to note that Israel also could have lost a war of attrition over a few years. That's been a fear for a long time. How does a much smaller country stab mobilized.
The war was close, and could have gone either way. But ascribing it to a 'miracle' goes too far. Just as when Cromwell and Washington ascribed their victories to "Providence" it comes close to suggesting righteousness and post-hoc justifications.
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Post 14 Sep 2014, 7:15 am

Danivon:
Have you read that at the outset of the 1948 war, Ben Gurion was advised (based on what we now know are over-estimates of Arab strength, but even so) that the chances were even?


Yes, I believe I even quoted it above. Before a war I would put more stock in the views of 3rd parties such as the British Foreign ministry and the CIA. The Arabs were saying that victory was certain. Ben-Gurion was confident, but such is the nature of leaders. It is very hard to rally the troops proclaiming that there is a great chance to lose.

In any case, I think we are reading the same facts. If you factor in everything that we know today, it could have gone either way. (By the way, arms deals with 3rd party powers come and go. You don't know anything until the guns arrive and are working.)

Danivon:
The war was close, and could have gone either way. But ascribing it to a 'miracle' goes too far.


Ok, fair enough. I agree with you that winning the War of 1948 in and of itself is not a miracle. But I do think the reality of the creation of the State of Israel is a miracle (made by great people, not G-d). There's just no historical parallel that I know of. A people were banished from their land between 2,500 to 1700 years ago.to all corners of the world. They retained their identity in spite of tremendous persecution in many different places in many different times. They had to move many times depending on the political winds. Then 130 years ago some determined that they needed to return to their homeland. That position strengthened and finally achieve significant force after WWII. That homeland had been occupied and neglected by various forces for that same 2000 years. This small group of people made the land productive even though most of it was swamps and deserts. The existing population was often hostile. They were restricted from entering the land by the most powerful countries. They then prevailed in spite of all odds against much larger forces that were too disorganized to stop them.

This is a one-of-a-kind historical event. Do you not agree? (Yes, I understand that there are victims as well.) The miracle is in the creation of Israel.
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The provisions of the plan did not call for expulsions of Palestinian villages that did not resist
.expell the inhabitants.
So all a local commander has to do was claim that there was resistance from the village and he could expell the inhabitants.

As a military plan designed to ensure national survival, I think the idea that it was a hidden plan to ethnically cleanse Arabs from Jewish areas to be far-fetched.

And yet, up to 700,000 Arabs left their homes and farms, and have not been allowed to return.
The fact they haven't been allowed to return supports the idea that their removal was an imperative.

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Jewish leaders were concerned that these Arab villages would aid enemy forces so they came up with a plan to control the population.

In WWI Canada rounded up Ukrainian and German immigrants and emprisoned them in forced labour camps. Out of fear that they would aid Germany.
In WWII Canada and the US put Japanese into interment camps and seized their property. Out of fear they would aid Japan.
Neither were moral. Neither were justified.
There's all kinds of instances where a majority "feared a minority" and forced them out of their homes, and forced them into internment or concentration camps....
Almost always justified by fear and reasons of security.
When the harm done to those minorities is later compensated for then at least you have something resembling a moral position or an admission of immoral behaviour. Nothing of that sort is being attempted in Palestine. And indeed the expulsions out of security need, and security concentrations continue.

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And Ricky you like to quote Israelis who are sympathetic to the Palestinians

The reason i referred you to the israelis soldiers who would not serve, is that they supported my contention that the occupation of Palestine is being conducted with brutality and immorrally. I quoted the Israelis because, as a source I thought they'd carry more weight than Palestinian journalists or politicians. And because they have first hand knowledge from the persecutors point of view.

Look, I keep insisting that you consider that Israels position is immoral. I'm not claiming that the Palestinians are acting morally . Both you and Ray seem to think Israel is an agent for good and has some claim to their behaviour because they are somehow better than the Palestinians....
The evidence of the expulsions (whether there were 300,000 or 700,000), and massacres, the evidence of the continuing brutal occupation and exploitation of the Palestinians belies this notion.
And the Palestinians have no calim to a morally superior position, having resorted to terrorism, which is often the weapon of the weak. .....(perhaps having seen how effectively Irgun utlized the tactic).
In the end, no matter what myth of creation Israel presents, there is nothing resembling a noble attempt at nation building here. The kind of peaceful coexistence of the sort that Jabotinsky once envisioned.. Only a squalid battle between two peoples who want to occupy the same land, and won't abide coexistence.
Israel has the power to change this equation if they are willing to break the cycle. And there are Israelis who understand that this is possible, and indeed essential. Especially those who have first hand experience in carrying out the occupation. But most would rather cling to their notions of moral superiority, and cling to the incremental gains they have made over time. Never mind the cost.
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Post 14 Sep 2014, 11:07 am

Ricky:
In WWI Canada rounded up Ukrainian and German immigrants and emprisoned them in forced labour camps. Out of fear that they would aid Germany.
In WWII Canada and the US put Japanese into interment camps and seized their property. Out of fear they would aid Japan.
Neither were moral. Neither were justified.
There's all kinds of instances where a majority "feared a minority" and forced them out of their homes, and forced them into internment or concentration camps....
Almost always justified by fear and reasons of security.


These are incredibly ill formed arguments. They show a basic ignorance about the whole situation in 1947. From Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1947%E2%80 ... _Palestine

Beginning of the Civil War (30 November 1947 – 1 April 1948)
Aftermath of the car bomb attack on the Ben Yehuda St., which killed 53 and injured many more.
In the aftermath of the adoption of Resolution 181(II) by the General Assembly of the United Nations recommending the adoption and implementation of the Plan of Partition,[12] the manifestations of joy of the Jewish community were counterbalanced by protests by Arabs throughout the country[13] and after 1 December, the Arab Higher Committee enacted a general strike that lasted three days.[14]

A 'wind of violence'[15] rapidly took hold of the country, foreboding civil war between the two communities.[16]

In the immediate aftermath of the General Assembly's vote on the Partition plan, the explosions of joy among the Jewish community were counterbalanced by the expression of discontent among the Arab community. Soon after, violence broke out from both sides and became more and more prevalent. Murders, reprisals, and counter-reprisals came fast on each other's heels, resulting in dozens of victims killed on both sides in the process. The impasse persisted as British forces didn't intervene to put a stop to the escalating cycles of violence generated by IZL and LHI terrorism and Arab skirmishes.[17][18][19][20]

The first casualties after the adoption of Resolution 181(II) by the General Assembly were passengers on a Jewish bus driving on the Coastal Plain near Kfar Sirkin on 30 November. An eight-man gang from Jaffa ambushed the bus killing five and wounding others. Half an hour later they ambushed a second bus, southbound from Hadera, killing two more. At other places, Arab snipers skirmished Jewish buses in Jerusalem and Haifa.[18]

Irgun and Lehi followed their strategy of placing bombs in crowded markets and bus-stops.[21] As on 30 December, in Haifa, when members of the clandestine militant Zionist group, Irgun, threw two bombs at a crowd of Arab workers who were queueing in front of a refinery, killing 6 of them and injuring 42. An angry crowd massacred 39 Jewish people in revenge, until British soldiers reestablished calm.[19][22] In reprisals, some soldiers from the strike force, Palmach and the Carmeli brigade, attacked the village of Balad ash-Sheikh and Hawassa. According to different historians, this attack led to between 21 and 70 deaths.[20]

According to Benny Morris, much of the fighting in the first months of the war took place in and on the edges of the main towns, and was initiated by the Arabs. It included Arab snipers firing at Jewish houses, pedestrians, and traffic, as well as planting bombs and mines along urban and rural paths and roads.[23]

From January onwards, operations became increasingly militarized.

In all the mixed zones where both communities lived, particularly Jerusalem and Haifa, increasingly violent attacks, riots, reprisals and counter-reprisals followed each other. Isolated shootings evolved into all-out battles. Attacks against traffic, for instance, turned into ambushes as one bloody attack led to another.

On 22 February 1948, supporters of Mohammad Amin al-Husayni organized, with the help of certain British deserters, three attacks against the Jewish community. Using car bombs aimed at the headquarters of the pro-Zionist Palestine Post newspaper, the Ben Yehuda St. market and the backyard of the Jewish Agency's offices, they killed 22, 53 and 13 Jewish people respectively, and injured hundreds.[24][25] In revenge, Lehi put a landmine on the railroad track in Rehovot on which a train from Cairo to Haifa was travelling, killing 28 British soldiers and injuring 35.[26] This would be copied on 31 March, close to Caesarea Maritima, which would lead to the death of forty people, injuring 60, who were, for the most part, Arab civilians.[27]

Having recruited a few thousand volunteers, al-Husayni organized the blockade of the 100,000 Jewish residents of Jerusalem.[28] To counter this, the Yishuv authorities tried to supply the city with convoys of up to 100 armoured vehicles, but the operation became more and more impractical as the number of casualties in the relief convoys surged. By March, Al-Hussayni's tactic had paid off. Almost all of Haganah's armoured vehicles had been destroyed, the blockade was in full operation, and hundreds of Haganah members who had tried to bring supplies into the city were killed.[29] The situation for those who dwelt in the Jewish settlements in the highly isolated Negev and North of Galilee was even more critical.

According to the Arab League general Safwat:

Despite the fact that skirmishes and battles have begun, the Jews at this stage are still trying to contain the fighting to as narrow a sphere as possible in the hope that partition will be implemented and a Jewish government formed; they hope that if the fighting remains limited, the Arabs will acquiesce in the fait accompli. This can be seen from the fact that the Jews have not so far attacked Arab villages unless the inhabitants of those villages attacked them or provoked them first.[30]


Did Ukrainian and German immigrants do this in Canada? Did Japanese-Americans do this? WTF are you even talking about?
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Furthermore, the Arabs in Palestine brought in foreign forces before the official Arab-Israeli war started in May of 1948. Per that same Wikipedia entry:

The British either could not or did not want to impede the intervention of foreign forces into Palestine.[55][56] According to a special report by the UN Special Commission on Palestine:[57]
During the night of 20–21 January, a troop composed of 700 Syrians in battle dress, equipped well and in control of mechanized transport, enters Palestine 'via Transjordan.'
On 27 January, 'a band of 300 men from outside Palestine, was established in the area of Safed in Galilee and was probably responsible for the intensive heavy weapon and mortar attacks the following week against the settlement of Yechiam.'
In the night of 29–30 January, a battalion commanded by Fawzi al-Qawuqji that consisted of 950 men in 19 vehicles was deployed by the Arab Liberation Army and entered Palestine 'via Adam Bridge and dispersed itself around the villages of Nablus, Jenin and Tulkarem.'

...Fawzi al-Qawuqji, Field Commander of the Arab Liberation Army, arrived, according to himself, on 4 March, with the rest of the logistics and around 100 Bosniak volunteers in Jab'a, a small village on the route between Nablus and Jenin. He established a headquarters there and a training centre for Palestinian Arab volunteers.

Alan Cunningham, the British High Commissioner in Palestine, thoroughly protested against the incursions and the fact that 'no serious effort is being made to stop incursions'. The only reaction came from Alec Kirkbride, who complained to Ernest Bevin about Cunningham's 'hostile tone and threats'.[59]

The British and the information service of Yishuv expected an offensive for 15 February, but it would not take place, seemingly because the Mufti troops were not ready.[60]

In March, an Iraqi regiment of the Arab Liberation Army came to reinforce the Palestinian Arab troops of Salameh in the area around Lydda and Ramleh, while Al-Hussayni started a headquarters in Bir Zeit, 10 km to the north of Ramallah.[61] At the same time, a number of North African troops, principally Libyans, and hundreds of members of the Muslim Brotherhood entered Palestine. In March, an initial regiment arrived in Gaza and certain militants among them reached Jaffa.


The reality is that the creation of Israel is an incredibly moral endeavor. It ain't perfect, but no country is. All the Palestinians had to do was not initiate war and they would not have had to leave their homes. In fact, those who did not have been able to stay in Israel with better treatment than any minority in the region. But they engaged in massive violence. They started it and they've paid the price. They've shown themselves to be blood thirsty and unable to get along. The more I read your arguments, and the more I reread the timeline, the less sympathy I have for the Palestinians. The Israelis behaved way more morally and incredibly morally considering the circumstances.