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01 Feb 2011, 10:09 am
Archduke Russell John wrote:danivon wrote:Tom, the context is that 'my opponent is my enemy - and yours'. Not 'buy some cheap stuff here'.
Different contexts, different implications. Why this stuff is so hard to understand, I don't know.?
Well, I would disagree with your context there. I would say the context is we are bringing special attention to this district because we have a good chance of defeating the incumbent.
Sorry, you are clearly missing the point: Palin targeted Giffords' district, thereby directly, indirectly, semi-directly, not-directly-at all, inadvertently, not-actually-inadvertently-but-not purposely causing her to be shot. It may/may not/might/could/probably isn't causal, but it could be. In any event, no one's saying Palin is responsible, but she is irresponsible and saying such things should be avoided so that potentially unrelated instances like the Giffords' shooting aren't unnecessarily repeated, although liberals insulting conservatives doesn't rise to the same level, even if there are strained allusions to violence, because Palin actually used violent imagery even if that imagery was not necessarily causal or violent. In all probability, it could have been interpreted as such and thus should be condemned by everyone whether or not the actual target was linked to the violence is not the point, but the radically disengaged rhetoric, mindlessly churning up the bile and hate must be toned down so that, if there is any connection it won't be reconnected. Again, there may be no causal link, but there's no denying the likelihood that such an atmosphere is leading to such events and that's why Palin must be targeted and taken out.
Are we clear?
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01 Feb 2011, 10:50 am
Doctor Fate wrote:?
<slow clapping>
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01 Feb 2011, 11:19 am
PCHiway wrote:Doctor Fate wrote:?
<slow clapping>
Don't make me explain it again!
Please.
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01 Feb 2011, 11:42 am
PC claps slowly
myself, I just started a wave (you know, the stadium variety), unfortunately I'm the only one here, but a wave it is!
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01 Feb 2011, 1:55 pm
Oy Vey.
I'll leave you to your echo chamber, boys.
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01 Feb 2011, 2:22 pm
danivon wrote:Oy Vey.
I'll leave you to your echo chamber, boys.
I sense that something I said was not entirely clear to you, although it well could have been, albeit somewhat muddied by the incoherency with which the non-clarity of your position emanated across the many pages of this thread. I would apologize for any alleged muddlement, but to do so would only reduce somewhat the disquieting sense, discovered by some on this board, that you were for, against, neutral, slightly in favor, and moderately opposed to all of the opinions you have expressed, such as they were, although I would note that you landed on every side of the issue with remarkable consistency, which I, of course, salute.
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18 Feb 2011, 9:01 am
Mach, you just don't get it. Teachers, public employees, union members, etc., are the salt of the earth. When they protest, whatever they say is within the confines of justifiable speech. Comparing him to Hitler and Mussolini, even calling for his death, isn't hate speech or violent rhetoric. It's "freedom of speech."
After all, asking that State employees pay into their pension plan or pay something toward their medical insurance is a crime against humanity. We all know that public school teachers always put their students first.
Er, what's that?
http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2011/02/16/public-workers-protest-in-wisconsin/ in order to protest?
Among the masses were some 40% of Madison's teachers, who coordinated a collective sick day that forced the state to shutter its second-largest school system.
Well, they're setting a fine example about the importance of education!
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18 Feb 2011, 1:21 pm
I actually find the video pretty funny. Because of the Tea party and whacko right win radio hosts, any rhetoric suddenly becomes a right wing only "thang". It isn't so, never was, never will be. And while the rhetoric is the same, this whole situation is a horrible mess on the Democrats hands. The Unions are of course in support of the Dems but the vast majority of the population is behind the Republicans in a big way. Protests, job walk outs, elected officials refusing to vote...it does not sit well with the rest of Wisconsin and the entire party inside and to a lesser degree outside the State are getting a big black eye on this mess.
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18 Feb 2011, 3:15 pm
GMTom wrote:I actually find the video pretty funny.
True, but the sad part? The President has thrown his political might behind it. I'm not just talking about a rhetorical flourish, but his muscle--
the DNC and Organizing for America.
The president's political machine worked in close coordination Thursday with state and national union officials to mobilize thousands of protesters to gather in Madison and to plan similar demonstrations in other state capitals.
In my opinion, this is not only hypocrisy (in that he called for the rhetoric to diminish, then throws his support behind those using Hitler/Mussolini comparisons and camping out at the homes of legislators and officials--including the governor--with whom they disagree), but it is also setting up a greater divide in the US. It shows what the President really thinks and I hope most Americans remember it.
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18 Feb 2011, 4:58 pm
Wow! It's good to know that
liberals are too thoughtful to "target" anyone:
WEAC has provided a list on their website of the home addresses for all legislators set to vote on the Governors plan. The link which takes a user to this list only states that it has “Phone Numbers & Email Addresses” however a quick glance at the list proves otherwise.
This style of protest is not unprecedented, as in May of 2010 similar protests were held at the home of a Bank of America executive by SEIU protestors.
The recent shooting in Arizona had prompted much of the political spectrum to look towards a more reasonable tone when discussing issues of policy. The Obama administration even went so far as to hand out t-shirts at the memorial service with the slogan “Together we thrive” printed on the front.
However, it has come to light that the Obama administration, the DNC, and their activist arm Organizing for America have had a guiding hand in the protests this week causing some to question the President’s commitment to a “new tone.”
Yeah, just giving out home addresses. Just telling the union members to "stop the attack on Wisconsin families." How do you stop an "attack?"
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22 Feb 2011, 3:22 pm
Dr Fate - surely politicians have their home addresses public as a matter of record? Or are Americans not allowed the same rights to information that we Brits are?
So, did the list have gunsights on it? Do tell...
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22 Feb 2011, 3:34 pm
danivon wrote:Dr Fate - surely politicians have their home addresses public as a matter of record? Or are Americans not allowed the same rights to information that we Brits are?
And, is protesting outside someone's home considered civil?
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22 Feb 2011, 3:47 pm
Depends on the protest. Did someone bring a gun to the protest?
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22 Feb 2011, 4:01 pm
danivon wrote:Depends on the protest. Did someone bring a gun to the protest?
We disagree. I don't believe protesting outside someone's home--unless he is the President of the US--is acceptable.
