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Post 23 Nov 2015, 9:24 am

Danivon:

All due respect to RJ, but the attackers in which his friend's son was killed was not related to the European migrant issue either.


True -- I just posted where convenient.

Before you all continue your political discussion, I just wanted to add one more thing which is relevant to the discussion at hand.

The whole town here has been united and in mourning. Those of you who have friended me on Facebook have seen some of it. I'll just share this letter from the new Imam of the Islamic Center of New England which is in my town. We went to an interfaith Thanksgiving Service which featured 3 Rabbis, the Imam, a Hindu spiritual leader and clergy of Christian denominations. This town with its large Hindi, Muslim, and Jewish population has something to teach the world.
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Post 23 Nov 2015, 9:30 am

Very nice, RJ.
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Post 23 Nov 2015, 10:28 am

What is the translation from Hebrew in the bottom line?
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Post 23 Nov 2015, 10:54 am

bbauska wrote:What is the translation from Hebrew in the bottom line?


May the Omnipresent comfort you among the mourners of Zion and Jerusalem.

http://www.aish.com/jl/l/dam/48961211.html
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Post 23 Nov 2015, 11:31 am

Ray Jay wrote:The whole town here has been united and in mourning. Those of you who have friended me on Facebook have seen some of it. I'll just share this letter from the new Imam of the Islamic Center of New England which is in my town. We went to an interfaith Thanksgiving Service which featured 3 Rabbis, the Imam, a Hindu spiritual leader and clergy of Christian denominations. This town with its large Hindi, Muslim, and Jewish population has something to teach the world.
That is very good to see. And I don't think it's the only town where that would happen.
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Post 24 Nov 2015, 9:48 am

I am sorry for your loss RJ and for the great suffering it has brought your community. Thank you for posting the letter. I need to know there is hope.
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Post 04 Dec 2015, 11:27 am

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bbauska wrote:Danivon, Have you agreed that one of the attackers came from the outside the EU, came into Greece with refugees, went through Serbia and made his way to Paris? His fingerprints were taken at both Greece and Serbia, and found on his body and the passport (which I agree is fake).
No, I am waiting for the full evidence. The guy in Serbia is still there for a start, as the Serbians arrested him.

Now that the apartment in St Denis has been taken, we may get more on who these people were.

What does everyone think of the "Grand Coalition" against ISIS? I would love to see 4 divisions each from Russia, France and the US come in.
I think it would be counter productive, frankly. Better to work with Iraq and the Kurds with more local (regional) forces.

And also not to assume that a military victory will actually stop ISIS from existing. They already have been "defeated" twice.


Any more news on this? Last I heard there were fingerprints taken in Greece and Serbia matching the attacker as he entered.

Has anyone found evidence exonerating this attacker? Perhaps his fingerprints are faked also.
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Post 04 Dec 2015, 1:18 pm

There was a fingerprint match, which pretty obviously identifies him as the same man who entered through Greece using the Syrian passport. The authorities, and most of the media, have chosen to downplay the incident because they don't want to inflame the already volatile situation as regards the 'refugees'. Like most of their actions during the course of this crisis, it'll probably end up being a mistake. Better to admit the risks and take steps to tackle them than pretend that no such risk exists, because nobody is going to believe the latter and it's liable to cause greater resentment further down the track.
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Post 04 Dec 2015, 2:20 pm

Sassenach wrote:There was a fingerprint match, which pretty obviously identifies him as the same man who entered through Greece using the Syrian passport. The authorities, and most of the media, have chosen to downplay the incident because they don't want to inflame the already volatile situation as regards the 'refugees'. Like most of their actions during the course of this crisis, it'll probably end up being a mistake. Better to admit the risks and take steps to tackle them than pretend that no such risk exists, because nobody is going to believe the latter and it's liable to cause greater resentment further down the track.


That is what I thought as well. Some did not feel there was enough information to be sure he came into Europe with refugees because of the passport.
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Post 05 Dec 2015, 3:58 am

Actually, two of them entered through Leros in Greece at about the same time. One had a visa and so would not have been treated as a refugee.

But we still do not know their real identities or how they got to France.
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Post 05 Jan 2016, 10:26 am

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... n-men.html

Police in Germany are investigating an alarming series of sexual assaults on women trying to celebrate the New Year by large groups of single men “of Arab or North African appearance”.
Authorities in the city of Cologne are to hold a crisis meeting on Tuesday after police described a group of some 1,000 men who took over the area around the main station on New Year’s Eve.

Women were robbed, groped, and had their underwear torn from their bodies, while couples had fireworks thrown at them.
Police have received 90 criminal complaints, around a quarter of them for sexual assault, including one case of rape.
Police in Hamburg say there was a series of similar incidents in the city’s Reeperbahn red-light area. Witnesses described groups of five to 15 men of who “hunted” women in the streets.
In Cologne, the attacks took place around the main station, opposite the cathedral, a traditional gathering spot to see in the New Year.

A 27-year-old witness named only as Anne told Spiegel magazine’s website she was shocked by the crowds when she arrived at the station with her boyfriend.
“The whole place was full and almost only with men,” she said. “Only a few frightened women, who were being stared at.”
A short time later, she said, she “felt the first hand on my behind”.
The men began firing fireworks directly into the crowd.
“I saw people jump and run, because a rocket had been fired at their legs,” she said.
“Shortly after midnight, the first women came to us,” an unnamed police officer told the local Express newspaper.
“Crying and in shock they described how they had been severely sexually harrassed. We went to look for women in the crowd. I picked one up from the ground. She was screaming and crying. Her underwear had been torn from her body.”


No official confirmation yet that the men who went on this sexual harassment/robbery/rape rampage were from the 'refugee' community, but it seems likely doesn't it ? A million young men are allowed into Germany in the space of a year, all coming from countries with medieval attitudes towards women, and suddenly events like this start to happen. So who's for taking in another few million this year ?
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Post 07 Jan 2016, 2:44 pm

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... ugees.html

Evidence that there was a cover-up of the Cologne sex attacks. Merkel is in trouble I think. Difficult to see how she can hold the line against calls to scrap the madness now.
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Post 07 Jan 2016, 7:18 pm

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/12086473/Suspects-in-Cologne-sex-attacks-claimed-to-be-Syrian-refugees.html

They said that they are Syrian...
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Post 08 Jan 2016, 8:45 am

Sassenach wrote:No official confirmation yet that the men who went on this sexual harassment/robbery/rape rampage were from the 'refugee' community, but it seems likely doesn't it ? A million young men are allowed into Germany in the space of a year, all coming from countries with medieval attitudes towards women, and suddenly events like this start to happen. So who's for taking in another few million this year ?

Well, let's first of all punish those who took part. And make it clear that we do not tolerate such behaviour. I can see there was some slowness to react by German authorities, but that has to be the priority.

And when we juxtapose it with the city of Madaya which appears to have people starving in it as the Government beseige the rebels (not ISIS as far as I can tell), I don't know that it's that easy to shut the doors. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-35250772
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Post 08 Jan 2016, 9:26 am

As with all law; I am all for punishing those who do something wrong, and leaving the rest of the population alone.