That'll be a 'no' then. I was not just asking you though, DF. I was asking generallry, and including those giving the polls more credence (please show where I say I agree that Republicans are anti-capitalist, anyway)

danivon wrote:That'll be a 'no' then. I was not just asking you though, DF. I was asking generallry, and including those giving the polls more credence (please show where I say I agree that Republicans are anti-capitalist, anyway)

Foolishness on your part. You know you can google it, so can I. Why would I when we have NO idea how many Republicans are actually in the poll. Furthermore, we have no idea if they actually voted for Obama or Romney. We have no information on them at all.

Could it be accurate? Yes.

Could it be an outlier? Yes.

Could it be meaningless? Maybe.

DF - please read my contributions to this thread of the past few days, and explain why you feel the need use 'foolishness'

Have I said I agree with the polls? That I think they are representative?

As you dislike doing any research, I will now post all of the text of the post that actually covers that question.

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danivon wrote:Socialism! Woooh, scary...

That same poll has 23% of Republicans having a positive view of socialism. I think we can conclude that polls on questions like these can produce odd results.

On MoE I was asking a general question, not just directed at you. I was trying to get those who were quoting figures to think about what they may mean. Quit acting like it's a challenge to your ego.

fate

Furthermore, we have no idea if they actually voted for Obama or Romney

How did you come to this conclusion?
92% of the respondents said they voted for either Obama or Romney.
(51% O, 42% R)

rickyp wrote:fate

Furthermore, we have no idea if they actually voted for Obama or Romney

How did you come to this conclusion?
92% of the respondents said they voted for either Obama or Romney.
(51% O, 42% R)

Oh don't be silly, Ricky. If one doesn't like the result of a poll, it's because the respondents lied/the pollsters asked the wrong people/there's an agenda.

Despite this approach being used by the Republicans in response to many polls suggesting Obama would win, seems that being proven to be wrong doesn't lead to getting out of the rut.

There are several observations we could make about why these poll questions are not accurate. But calling into question the answers on standard questions seems odd to me. The election was held shortly before, so false recall is not an issue. You would expect more people to lie that they voted for Obama because people like to have backed a winner (which may explain the +9 magring), but that would suggest the Romney voters were more likely to be genuine and some of the 'flakey' voters would have been removed. Although chances are that the 'extra' Obama voters didn't vote at all.

Still, if DF is going to call into question the honesty of poll respondents on a simple 'how did you vote' question, then presumably he's never going to believe a single poll ever published again...

danivon wrote:

rickyp wrote:fate

Furthermore, we have no idea if they actually voted for Obama or Romney

How did you come to this conclusion?
92% of the respondents said they voted for either Obama or Romney.
(51% O, 42% R)

Oh don't be silly, Ricky. If one doesn't like the result of a poll, it's because the respondents lied/the pollsters asked the wrong people/there's an agenda.

Despite this approach being used by the Republicans in response to many polls suggesting Obama would win, seems that being proven to be wrong doesn't lead to getting out of the rut.

There are several observations we could make about why these poll questions are not accurate. But calling into question the answers on standard questions seems odd to me. The election was held shortly before, so false recall is not an issue. You would expect more people to lie that they voted for Obama because people like to have backed a winner (which may explain the +9 magring), but that would suggest the Romney voters were more likely to be genuine and some of the 'flakey' voters would have been removed. Although chances are that the 'extra' Obama voters didn't vote at all.

Still, if DF is going to call into question the honesty of poll respondents on a simple 'how did you vote' question, then presumably he's never going to believe a single poll ever published again...

Someone's being silly old boy--you. You (wrongly) presumed rickyp understood my point. Let me clarify so you'll take your bellicosity down a notch or two (one can dream during the holidays).

We don't know WHICH of the two the GOP respondents voted for. Why does that matter? Well, it would tell us something if they broke unexpectedly, wouldn't it? Let's say it's 60/40 Romney or 95/5 Romney. That would definitely tell us more than something more expected.

fate

We don't know WHICH of the two the GOP respondents voted for. Why does that matter? Well, it would tell us something if they broke unexpectedly, wouldn't it? Let's say it's 60/40 Romney or 95/5 Romney. That would definitely tell us more than something more expected

You should actually read the poll. (page 13 of the results)
In it Obama's approval is 50% and disapproval is 47%
Amongst Democrats its 83% A v 16%D
Amongst Republicans its 13% A v 82%D
Amongst Indies/Other its 27%A v 59%D
Thats remarkably similar to pre election polling break downs of support ..Polls which were reliable indicators of the election results. .
Doesn't that similarity suggest that the poll has some credibility?

rickyp wrote:fate

We don't know WHICH of the two the GOP respondents voted for. Why does that matter? Well, it would tell us something if they broke unexpectedly, wouldn't it? Let's say it's 60/40 Romney or 95/5 Romney. That would definitely tell us more than something more expected

You should actually read the poll. (page 13 of the results)
In it Obama's approval is 50% and disapproval is 47%
Amongst Democrats its 83% A v 16%D
Amongst Republicans its 13% A v 82%D
Amongst Indies/Other its 27%A v 59%D
Thats remarkably similar to pre election polling break downs of support ..Polls which were reliable indicators of the election results. .
Doesn't that similarity suggest that the poll has some credibility?

The Gallup poll I've been referring to has 4 pages.