Just a shout out to the President in this realm. I do applaud his family values that he exhibit, but does not legislatively support. He appears to sincerely be a family man.

steve

I'm not saying she is lying. I am saying there is little reason to take her story as fact . . . yet.

63 text and voice messages from Herman? And he's just helping her get a job? For 13 years?
If she doesn't have a job after all that help, it doesn't bode well for his job creation claims should he gain office...
You do hang on on to the thinnest of threads...
Still it won't take too long to substantiate or disprove her claims regarding travel and lodging. . And she had to know that when she came forward.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls ... dates.html

Romney loses by a small margin, the others give Obama a 2nd term mandate.

If someone like Newt got the nomination, it could be a blood bath in the end.

Steve jump in here and explain to Neil why the face to face polls mean nothing because Obama has all these negative approval ratings...

Surely the allegations about Cain are relevant to the Republican primaries and predictions thereof. If they are true (or enough primary voters believe they could be true), then it may affect his chances of winning the nomination. And polls indicate that he has taken a mighty hit since they came out (which is also around the same time as his 'pause' over the Libya question).

Equally, the X v Obama polls are of course relevant to the Republican primaries. They indicate electability at a General Election. And even if they can't be predictive, they can indicate relative strength at this time.

We are pretty close to the start of the actual Primaries. It also seems unlikely that we'll see new entrants in the race, although it's not impossible many of the main options appear to have ruled themselves out. Also, while there are loads of names around, many are on low poll ratings and are likely to be well out of the race by February.

Anyway, what can we say about the process? It seems to be all over the place, with states moving their dates all over, tussles between the national party and states over whether they can and what rules they can apply, and I would not be surprised if we had a repeat of 4 years ago with challenges to the delegations from some places due to breaches of the rules.

While we wait for some clarity, can we not speculate?

Holy cow!

They lie. They cheat. They exaggerate. They bluster. They say one idiotic, ignorant, outrageous thing after another. They've shown such stark lack of knowledge -- political, economic, geographic, historical -- that they make George W. Bush look like Einstein and even cause their fellow Republicans to cringe.

Don't hold back now, Der Spiegel, tell us what you really think. [Oh, and that emphasis was mine.]

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,800850,00.html

That's probably the best article about this primary race any of us are going to see. It totally nails it.

Sassenach wrote:That's probably the best article about this primary race any of us are going to see. It totally nails it.

and I think it is a load of @#$! crap.

Really? Huntsman gets the best of it.

I fail to see how Cain's problems, are irrelevant to the conversation. And i fail to see how polls comparing possible electoral matchups are also NOT relevant.
But I guess the news destroys the potentials that you have in mind Rufhaus, Its just one dispppointment after another huh? And the delivery of the information that confirms that disppointment is difficult to swallow?

The problem that republicans face is that the primary process invovles only the 30% of the electorate that are registered republicans or maybe a few more who will vote in primaries. And the policies and statements that are being espoused by the various candidates cannot seem to find broad support in the rest of the electorate . At the same time, the behaviours and qualitites of the candidates are accepted, or excused and at least tolerated by the 30% because they come from their heros ...but are treated more harshly by the 70%...(Indies and Dems...)
Extreme views don't appeal to the middle...
That so far Obama, who is emminently vulnerable, still is more acceptable to the electorate than any republican challenger, and particularly the more extreme candidates speaks to the disconnect that the party has with the rest of americans and to the disconnect between what competence is to most of the electorate.
The right can't seem to understand how many Americans can disapprove of the Presidents performance and yet still feel that any of his opponents offer far less. And they don't seem to want to anaylyze why their ideas are not resounding and growing in acceptance. (Part of this becasue they have been the ideas in vogue with those in power when the shit hit the fan... experience is a strong influence.)
Your comment Ruffhaus is an example of that attitude. The information contributed regarding polling and Cain could not possibly be more on point. And yet, presumably becasue it wounds you, you wish to dismiss it as irreleant.
You can't magically wish away facts in evidence. It isn't some conspiracy that has Cain facing all these allegations or producing the poll results...

rickyp wrote:Steve jump in here and explain to Neil why the face to face polls mean nothing because Obama has all these negative approval ratings...

They mean "something;" but they are not determinative.

No President has ever been re-elected with approval numbers as low as Obama has a year out.

rickyp wrote:I fail to see how Cain's problems, are irrelevant to the conversation. And i fail to see how polls comparing possible electoral matchups are also NOT relevant.

Because you are blind or is it because you are illiterate?

This is about the GOP nomination. So, "possible electoral matchups (sic)" are irrelevant.

Of course, if you want to say it means that Gingrich is a lock to beat Obama, go ahead, but have the courtesy to start a different forum. You know, something entitled "Why I believe Gingrich will be President."

danivon wrote:Really? Huntsman gets the best of it.

Yes he does, as he deserves in MHO. However, the rest of it is just ignorant, condescending conservative bashing America hating crap. Basically it is the equivalent of calling Obama a Marxist or a Maoist.

by the by, Herman Cain just dropped out of the race.

Yes he does, as he deserves in MHO. However, the rest of it is just ignorant, condescending conservative bashing America hating crap. Basically it is the equivalent of calling Obama a Marxist or a Maoist.

I don't agree. Having just re-read it to see if there was something I missed, I can say that all I see is criticism of the Republican candidates and the US media that builds them up. Both of these criticisms seem valid to me. I've seen nothing from these candidates to suggest that any of them deserve to be President (with the possible exception of Huntsman, who in any case gets away lightly in this article). There's no obvious America-bashing there.

Face it Russ, this is a very poor field of candidates. I can't remember a weaker field for either party since I've been following US politics. I guess the Dems in 04 had a pretty poor selection of candidates (Kerry, Edwards, Dean etc), but compared to this current crop of Republicans they look like Lincoln, Roosevelt and Kennedy. I'm sure there must be a whole lot of talented Republicans out there who decided to sit this one out, but for whatever reason they made that decision they aint on the ballot this year.