freeman3 wrote:Yeah, Democrats are worse than Republicans with regard to super delegates. I also dislike it when the media calls the nomination for Hillary; just let it play out, please. And I dislike it when Hillary proclaims to be focusing on the general election--that's just arrogant. My pet peeves.

freeman3 wrote:Other than the above...you like Bernie and Hillary, no?

freeman3 wrote:Other than the above...you like Bernie and Hillary, no?

He's never done anything "good" in his life.

dag hammarsjkold wrote:DF,

You put the word "good" in quotes so I don't know exactly what you mean.

How did Sanders juggle aspirations as an eager political activist with his role as a divorced young father?
“That’s out of bounds,” Franco said.
Out of bounds?
“It’s none of your f—-ing business,” he said. He smiled, but he wasn’t joking.
It’s always been that way with Sanders. The issues. The issues. Stick to the issues. The rich are too rich. Those with power have too much. The middle class is withering. Inequality is a crisis, and the system is rigged. With Sanders, what you see is what you get, insist the people who know him best — and that’s almost all you get.
But if his positions are well known, the person, it turns out, is less known. Before Sanders was a U.S. senator, before he was a congressman, before he was mayor of Burlington — before he won one shocking election, then 13 more — he was a radical and an agitator in the ferment of 1960s and '70s Vermont, a tireless campaigner and champion of laborers who didn’t collect his first steady paycheck until he was an elected official pushing 40 years old.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/ ... z44PHxZzYp

It sounds like something fairly extreme to say.

He's a good man. You may not agree with him on anything but he means well and cares about the underdog. Surely that comes across?

danivon wrote:He is not Hugo Chavez, and is not as far as I am aware proposing to nationalise the US oil industry and use it to subsidise social programmes.

Neither will he inherit a country with favelas.

Please show exactly which policies are going to lead to a "Venezuela".

Also, it's actually a good thing to have a politician who is about the "issues", rather than yet another personality cult.

Doctor Fate wrote:

Neither will he inherit a country with favelas.

Give the Democrats more time! It's what they want us to live in.

Please show exactly which policies are going to lead to a "Venezuela".

Nothing distinguishes his economic philosophy from Chavez but the degree to which he's willing to explain and propose it.

Also, it's actually a good thing to have a politician who is about the "issues", rather than yet another personality cult.

He's actually a personality cult. People have blind faith in his ability to deliver--just like Obama and just like Trump.

danivon wrote:

Nothing distinguishes his economic philosophy from Chavez but the degree to which he's willing to explain and propose it.

So you got nothing?

He's actually a personality cult. People have blind faith in his ability to deliver--just like Obama and just like Trump.

I;m trying to think of a prominent US politician who has not had a cult form around them. JFK and Bill Clinton are classic. As is Reagan - and to a lesser extend Bush II. Several failed Presidential candidates seemed to be to be little else - Carson, Santorum, Bachmann, Christie. Edwards...

The difference seems to me that Bernie Sanders is not making a major play of how great a person he is. Maybe it's an act, but he comes off as relatively humble.

he's like a septuagenarian Beatle.

dag hammarsjkold wrote:DF wrote:

he's like a septuagenarian Beatle.

Every now and then I find myself cracking up at some of the imagery you utilize, no matter how much I disagree.