Doctor Fate wrote:The main messages from the DNC: "reproductive freedom is economic freedom" and "we all belong to the government."

Btw, I made neither of those up. The "reproductive" comment was from a speech given either Tuesday or Wednesday. The "government" quote was from a promotional video the Democrats showed at the convention.

I heard Obama's speech and it was OK, not rousing like Clinton's, but not dull. I give him a 'B' on the speech independent of facts. Of course, I got interrupted twice and missed the middle 10 minutes, but it wasn't so rousing that I needed to hit rewind.

Yeah but you did make up that was the main message from the DNC.

freeman2 wrote:Yeah but you did make up that was the main message from the DNC.

Prove it.

How many speeches were focused on abortion and "the war on women?"

Abortion: 25

Led by President Obama and Vice President Biden, the Democratic National Convention saw 25 speakers reference the party's support for legal abortion, an average of eight speakers a night in what was the biggest emphasis on the issue since at least the 1992 convention.

Even liberal writer, Margaret Carlson, thinks Dems have strayed from the mainstream on abortion.

Polls show we are becoming a pro-life country; a slight majority likes to call itself that even though most Americans still support the pro-choice position in the first three months of pregnancy. For years, Republicans have pushed legislation designed to expose the moral quandaries inherent in abortion. They laid traps for Democrats, coming up with a grisly name -- partial-birth abortion -- and laws requiring doctors to provide medical care to any baby surviving a late-term abortion (Baby Born Alive acts).
Votes by former Illinois state legislator Barack Obama -- the votes Gingrich cited on “Meet the Press” -- sound shocking when presented without constitutional or practical context. Yet Obama and many other Democrats have opposed a ban on partial- birth abortion on the slim reed that its only exception is to protect the life and health of the mother. They say the procedure is exceedingly rare. But the health of the mother exception is vast, encompassing age, emotional, familial and state of mind factors broad enough to include virtually any woman in any circumstances.
It’s a terrible thing to force a 12-year-old who lives in chaos and hopelessness, with a boyfriend who has disappeared or an abusive uncle who hasn’t, to have a baby. But it’s worse to let her abort it after she waits so long for help that the only difference between the baby being born alive or dead is a gruesome procedure that Democratic Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan said approximated “infanticide.”

Democrats had NARAL and Planned Parenthood speak. They took the "legal, safe and rare" language out of the abortion plank of the platform.

Didn't the DNC produce that video? Were they mistaken in their messaging? Isn't that what they wanted to say? "We belong to the government!"

There's a real American sentiment.

The point of the convention was to make sure every nut votes Democrat.

Just imagine a "Once you vote white, you're always right" button. Think that's racist? Well, [url]how about this?[/url]



Extreme indeed.

First of all, your claim that the main messages were that "reproductive freedom is is economic freedom" and "we all belong to the government" is not accurate. One comment by a speaker and one reference in a promotional video do not even come close to making it the main message. And so what about one button (clearly meant as a joke)? Are you going to start crying about affirmative action too? My gosh, the poor persecuted white male--how on earth does he still have most of the wealth in this country?

Looking at a party and always picking and choosing those aspects of the party that seem extreme--is that what Republicans are reduced to, because they know they can't win on a fair vote? In the Republican party the extreme right is the party nowadays--that is not the case in the Democratic Party. So this is why DF has to hunt and search for things that sound extreme so he can try and paint the whole party with it.

Of course, Democrats are going to talk about abortion--Republicans have tried to pass personhood laws, and have put burdens on women being able to get abortions (like invasive ultrasounds). So, yes, Democrats are going to say that they support a women being able to make decisions with regard to reproduction. And, you know what, if women don't like that then I guess Democrats will lose and you will be happy. I don't think that is going to happen, however. Your party's attempt to get a personhood law passed in Mississippi was crushed (In Mississippi) so your party is much more out of touch with women on these issues than the Democratic Party--that is what bothers you DF, not that they are talking about it. That is why there is a gender gap, because your party does not take women's rights seriously.

freeman2 wrote:In the Republican party the extreme right is the party nowadays--that is not the case in the Democratic Party.

Really? Did you see the Schiff video where he proposes outlawing corporate profits? The DNC rank and file seemed in favor.

The vote on "God" and "Jerusalem?" Seemed a bit out of the mainstream to most Americans.

Of course, Democrats are going to talk about abortion--Republicans have tried to pass personhood laws, and have put burdens on women being able to get abortions (like invasive ultrasounds).

And, you know what? If they had not put on the parade of folks from Fluke (pay for my birth control!) to PP and NARAL, you'd have a point.

Did the GOP have the Family Research Council speak? I'm just wondering how the Republican convention showcased the extreme of the party as much as the Democratic convention did.

Democrats weren't talking about protecting Roe v. Wade. They want no restrictions on abortion, period. End of story.

Again, that's not moderate.

That is why there is a gender gap, because your party does not take women's rights seriously.

That's about as fair as me saying the only difference between the DNC and the PRC is the language they speak.

fate

The point of the convention was to make sure every nut votes Democrat.

Another subset of the electorate dominated by Democrats Fate?
Women, Blacks, Jews, Latinos and now nuts....
No wonder Obama is leading in the polls, the triangulation is amazing!
Oh, and by the way he's now approved by 52% in the latest Gallp poll. Weren't you the guy who said approval was the key indicator to an election result?

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/

Thats a helluva convention bump. Who knew there were that many nuts!
Ah democracy!

rickyp wrote:fate

The point of the convention was to make sure every nut votes Democrat.

Another subset of the electorate dominated by Democrats Fate?
Women, Blacks, Jews, Latinos and now nuts....
No wonder Obama is leading in the polls, the triangulation is amazing!
Oh, and by the way he's now approved by 52% in the latest Gallp poll. Weren't you the guy who said approval was the key indicator to an election result?

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/

Thats a helluva convention bump. Who knew there were that many nuts!
Ah democracy!

Hey, talk to me in a few weeks.

I do have to say though, for the first time, I am concerned. It does appear that the party that favors spending us into oblivion by promising a free (fill in the blank) to everyone may actually win the presidency again.

Of course, it doesn't appear they will win the House or the Senate.

The Democratic convention was socialism on parade. If that wins, well, it was nice being a major power.

Then again, you are the man who said I hate this country. That was pretty despicable and you've not retracted. So, there's that.