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Post 06 Sep 2012, 8:11 pm

From Wikipedia, with my bolding added:

Today, the Secret Service is authorized by law to protect:

The President, the Vice President (or other officer next in the order of succession to the Office of President, should the vice presidency be vacant), the President-elect, and the Vice President-elect
The immediate families of the above individuals
Former Presidents and their spouses for their lifetimes except when the spouse divorces or remarries. In 1997, legislation became effective limiting Secret Service protection to former Presidents and their spouses for a period of not more than 10 years from the date the former President leaves office--making Bill and Hillary Clinton the last to receive lifetime protection
The widow or widower of a former President who dies in office or dies within a year of leaving office for a period of 1 year after the President's death (the Secretary of Homeland Security can extend the protection time)
Children of former Presidents until age 16 or 10 years after the presidency.
Former Vice Presidents, their spouses, and their children under age 16 for a period of not more than 6 months from the date the former Vice President leaves office (the Secretary of Homeland Security can extend the protection time)
Visiting heads of states or governments and their spouses traveling with them,
Other distinguished foreign visitors to the United States and official representatives of the United States performing special missions abroad, as directed by the President
Major presidential and vice presidential candidates[6]
The spouses of major presidential and vice presidential candidates (within 120 days of a general presidential election)
Other individuals as designated per executive order of the President
National Special Security Events, when designated as such by the Secretary of Homeland Security
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Post 06 Sep 2012, 11:25 pm

Indeed, Purple, DF quoted that same piece. So, if an Executive Order was signed, it's legal. If it's legal, it would take something substantial to make it unconstitutional.
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Post 07 Sep 2012, 6:10 am

danivon wrote:Indeed, Purple, DF quoted that same piece. So, if an Executive Order was signed, it's legal. If it's legal, it would take something substantial to make it unconstitutional.

Does anyone know of said order? Inow, does it exist?
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Post 07 Sep 2012, 3:29 pm

Who cares ? The President is entitled to give SS protection to whoever the hell he pleases. It's not an important issue.

Come on guys. I know this is an election year but surely there must be something significant we can be talking about ? This is even worse than the Paul Ryan pretending to run a superfast marathon story. Tedious trivia that tells us nothing of any significance.
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Post 07 Sep 2012, 4:44 pm

Sassenach wrote:Who cares ? The President is entitled to give SS protection to whoever the hell he pleases. It's not an important issue.


No, he's not. He's not a dictator. He must abide by the rules. Is there an EO or not?

Come on guys. I know this is an election year but surely there must be something significant we can be talking about ? This is even worse than the Paul Ryan pretending to run a superfast marathon story. Tedious trivia that tells us nothing of any significance.


If there is no EO, it's another bit of evidence, admittedly slight, that the President does not give a fig about the law. He has repeatedly violated or skirted it. This would be but one more.
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Post 07 Sep 2012, 5:06 pm

DF: I think you're being incredibly silly. Why wouldn't he write an EO (or put her on a list some old EO established)? There's nothing embarrassing here. The protection wasn't hidden from view. What would he gain by not doing things legally? What's his motive?
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Post 07 Sep 2012, 5:50 pm

Purple wrote:DF: I think you're being incredibly silly. Why wouldn't he write an EO (or put her on a list some old EO established)? There's nothing embarrassing here. The protection wasn't hidden from view. What would he gain by not doing things legally? What's his motive?

It is hidden. The article says the WH refuses to say how many agents there are or what the cost is.

He does extra-constitutional things all the time.
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Post 07 Sep 2012, 8:28 pm

I gotta agree with Purple and Sass. This is another blah, blah, blah issue.
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Post 07 Sep 2012, 9:00 pm

Archduke Russell John wrote:I gotta agree with Purple and Sass. This is another blah, blah, blah issue.

This issue would not send me into Occupy Charlotte. My points are: 1) she wields enormous influence over the President; 2) her Secret Service protection is unprecedented and maybe extra-legal.
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Post 07 Sep 2012, 10:45 pm

The first thing the SS would do when asked to protect her is check to make sure they have the legal authority to do so. If it wasn't there then they'd ask for it to be put in place. This is a non-story that requires a feverish imagination to seem significant.
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Post 08 Sep 2012, 7:09 am

Sassenach wrote:The first thing the SS would do when asked to protect her is check to make sure they have the legal authority to do so.


You know this how?

I'm not being a smart aleck. The Homeland Security Department is in charge of the Secret Service. The President (or Ms. Jarrett) call Secretary Napolitano and tell her Ms. Jarrett needs 24/7 security. Does Napolitano say, "Do you have your papers?"

If it wasn't there then they'd ask for it to be put in place.


Again, if this is so obvious, perhaps you'd like to share your inside information.

You may well be right, but you are making assumptions about which you have absolutely no info.

This is a non-story that requires a feverish imagination to seem significant.


It's not "invade Iran" significant. It's not "nearing recession" significant. I don't think it's a trifle. If you do, then ignore it.
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Post 08 Sep 2012, 8:17 am

Doctor Fate wrote:...you are making assumptions about which you have absolutely no info.

no comment should be necessary
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Post 08 Sep 2012, 8:39 am

Purple wrote:
Doctor Fate wrote:...you are making assumptions about which you have absolutely no info.

no comment should be necessary


Doctor Fate wrote:You may well be right, but you are making assumptions about which you have absolutely no info.
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Post 08 Sep 2012, 10:18 am

I'm not being a smart aleck. The Homeland Security Department is in charge of the Secret Service. The President (or Ms. Jarrett) call Secretary Napolitano and tell her Ms. Jarrett needs 24/7 security. Does Napolitano say, "Do you have your papers?"


What she probably says in that circumstance is that the President should get one of his people to whack her name on the list, which is almost certainly just a routine, everyday kind of thing that isn't a big drama.

But honestly what difference does it make ? The President of the United States wants to use the Secret Service to provide protection to a trusted member of his administration. Big deal. I honestly don't see what on earth you can find to object to about that.

As an aside btw, I suspect the reason it was judged to be necessary to protect her is precisely because she's a hate figure on the right. It isn't only Islamic terrorists that pose a threat. There must have been some kind of plausible intel which suggested it would be prudent to protect her. Just because we don't know what that might be it doesn't automatically follow that it doesn't exist.
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Post 08 Sep 2012, 12:50 pm

Tempest in a tea pot, right? After all, who really cares except right-wing wackos . . . like Jimmy Carter's pollster, Pat Caddell:

So let’s get this straight: Jarrett gets a security detail from the US Secret Service (USSS). That means 24/7 protection, at a cost of millions of dollars a year. Of course, it also means an air of importance for Jarrett--her own taxpayer-funded entourage. The idea that someone such as Jarrett--who officially plays no role in national security or counter-terrorism--would receive USSS protection would be laughable if it weren’t, in fact, real. It’s like a tale out of the Versailles Court of the Sun King--the sort of anecdote that provokes the peasants, eventually, to revolution. But in the meantime, before the deluge, Jarrett plans to live it up; surrounded by agents with guns, she is queen of her own court. In other words, for pure conspicuous consumption, Jarrett puts her fellow Chicagoan, the laughably self-important Desirée Rogers, to shame.
As an aside, on the issue of who merits government security, we might recall the case of Molly Norris. In 2010, the Seattle-based cartoonist took part in the international “Draw Muhammad” campaign and, after she receiving death threats, the FBI told her that she was on her own. That is, the US government could not--more precisely, would not--protect her. Instead, Norris was advised to leave her job, change her name, and go into hiding. And that’s what she did; what choice did she have?
At the time, some of us wondered how Uncle Sam could let the jihadists win a victory such as this inside the United States. Now we know that government security resources were, in fact, spread thin--because Jarrett was being well taken care of. Bottom line: Norris faced real threats and received no protection, while Jarrett faces no threats--at least no threat that 100 other West Wing aides haven’t also received, and none of them have details--and yet she receives all the insulation from the world that her ego demands.
In the wake of the USSS revelation, the press could be asking all sorts of questions: Who made this decision? How much is this costing? Does Jarrett drive her own car--or do those same Secret Service agents chauffeur her around? Most likely, the MSM will not ask any of these questions. Yes, as was said of Becker’s Times piece, the political world will stop to read it, but most readers will be reading it with an eye towards power calculations in DC, as opposed to cost calculations for the taxpayers, or any concern about the modesty of public officials.


The rest of the article is intriguing as well.