Overall, at least 19 people were wounded in city shootings since 5 p.m. Thursday.

Doctor Fate wrote:Tell that to the family's of Breivik's 77 victims.

And, by the way, gun control needs to be federal to have any effect--clearly no municipality or state can do much about gun control when people can move freely between states and cities

danivon wrote:

Doctor Fate wrote:Tell that to the family's of Breivik's 77 victims.

Not many of the families appear to be calling for the death penalty. I heard one suggest he should get 21 years for each count, but generally the victims appear to more keen to see he didn't get ruled insane.

That is one drawback to 'victims justice' what if they or their families are into that forgiveness thing?

freeman2 wrote:And, by the way, gun control needs to be federal to have any effect--clearly no municipality or state can do much about gun control when people can move freely between states and cities.

Doctor Fate wrote:Which family forgave him?

And, if there is one, should he be released on a society he attacked? Forgiveness does not equal "no consequences."

danivon wrote:And I wasn't aware that Fort Bragg, where Page was based for much of his army career, was a hotbed of far right extremism.

danivon wrote:Yet Republicans think that it's a bad idea to watch out for terrorists who call themselves 'patriots'?

danivon wrote:Who said they were the #1 threat?

They clearly do present a threat, and Oklahoma showed that it was not a minor one.

A newly unclassified Department of Homeland Security report warns against the possibility of violence by unnamed “right-wing extremists” concerned about illegal immigration, increasing federal power, restrictions on firearms, abortion and the loss of U.S. sovereignty and singles out returning war veterans as particular threats, according to a report in WorldNetDaily.

The report, titled “Right-wing Extremism: Current Economic and Political Climate Fueling Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment,” dated April 7, states that “threats from white supremacist and violent anti-government groups during 2009 have been largely rhetorical and have not indicated plans to carry out violent acts.”

“Proposed imposition of firearms restrictions and weapons bans likely would attract new members into the ranks of right-wing extremist groups as well as potentially spur some of them to begin planning and training for violence against the government,” the report continues. “The high volume of purchases and stockpiling of weapons and ammunition by right-wing extremists in anticipation of restrictions and bans in some parts of the country continue to be a primary concern to law enforcement.”

Most notable is the report’s focus on the impact of returning war veterans.

“Returning veterans possess combat skills and experience that are attractive to right-wing extremists,” it says. “DHS/I&A [Department of Homeland Security's Office of Intelligence and Analysis] is concerned that right-wing extremists will attempt to recruit and radicalize veterans in order to boost their violent capacities.”

Doctor Fate wrote:Homeland Security thought they were a major issue:

danivon wrote:Yes, Islamic Terrorism is a major threat too, and with their capabilities and use of suicide are rightly regarded as a top priority for Homeland Security.

However, domestic terrorism from the far right appears to be quite prevalent too.

When the DHS report came out, Napolitano was hounded into retracting some of it. And of course, as is happening now with everything the government does, Obama was personally blamed for it.

The report called for more to be done. It was dumped because of Republican opposition. If a unit had been funded and set up instead, perhaps there would be less of a threat.

Doctor Fate wrote:

danivon wrote:Yes, Islamic Terrorism is a major threat too, and with their capabilities and use of suicide are rightly regarded as a top priority for Homeland Security.

Bigger threat than gangs? I doubt it.

Cause more deaths than Islamism? Maybe in a given day, but not if we examine the deaths of American servicemen.

However, domestic terrorism from the far right appears to be quite prevalent too.

I'd have to see some objective proof. Please remember: this is an Administration that said the Hassan shooting was "workplace violence," called someone involved in a plot a "lone wolf" more than once, and has released terrorists who tortured and killed US troops because it didn't have the guts to put new inmates in Gitmo.

The terrorism preventions for 2002 through 2005 present a more diverse threat picture. Eight of the 14 recorded terrorism preventions stemmed from right-wing extremism, and included disruptions to plotting by individuals involved with the militia, white supremacist, constitutionalist and tax protestor, and anti-abortion movements. The remaining preventions included disruptions to plotting by an anarchist in Bellingham, Washington, who sought to bomb a U.S. Coast Guard station; a plot to attack an Islamic center in Pinellis Park, Florida; and a plot by prison-originated, Muslim convert group to attack U.S. military, Jewish, and Israeli targets in the greater Los Angeles area. In addition, three preventions involved individuals who sought to provide material support to foreign terrorist organizations, including al-Qa’ida, for attacks within the United States.

When the DHS report came out, Napolitano was hounded into retracting some of it. And of course, as is happening now with everything the government does, Obama was personally blamed for it.

Yeah, it's this crazy idea that the President is in charge of the executive branch.

The report called for more to be done. It was dumped because of Republican opposition. If a unit had been funded and set up instead, perhaps there would be less of a threat.

You can't control crazy. The shooter in Wisconsin--was he sane, by any standard?

danivon wrote:

Cause more deaths than Islamism? Maybe in a given day, but not if we examine the deaths of American servicemen.

Did I say they were #1? Did anyone? What is your point here?

By the way, Homeland Security don't protect our armed forces abroad, the clue is in the name. So they rightly concentrate on threats to the homeland.

You are right that criminal gangs are one threat. So are Islamist terrorists. So are far right terrorists.

'd have to see some objective proof. Please remember: this is an Administration that said the Hassan shooting was "workplace violence," called someone involved in a plot a "lone wolf" more than once, and has released terrorists who tortured and killed US troops because it didn't have the guts to put new inmates in Gitmo.

What would count as objective proof?

An FBI report?
The terrorism preventions for 2002 through 2005 present a more diverse threat picture. Eight of the 14 recorded terrorism preventions stemmed from right-wing extremism, and included disruptions to plotting by individuals involved with the militia, white supremacist, constitutionalist and tax protestor, and anti-abortion movements. The remaining preventions included disruptions to plotting by an anarchist in Bellingham, Washington, who sought to bomb a U.S. Coast Guard station; a plot to attack an Islamic center in Pinellis Park, Florida; and a plot by prison-originated, Muslim convert group to attack U.S. military, Jewish, and Israeli targets in the greater Los Angeles area. In addition, three preventions involved individuals who sought to provide material support to foreign terrorist organizations, including al-Qa’ida, for attacks within the United States.

But he doesn't do all the work. And he doesn't know everything that it does, all the time. And what is there to 'blame' him for, in the opinion of security experts on the threats to the USA?