freeman3 wrote:But the real tissue is with tissue procurement companies and how and to what extent they should be regulated. Because there is money to be made there then while Planned Parenthood doesn't make money one could imagine tissue procurement companies wining and dining PP executives to secure access to valuable tissue. Actually, that is pretty much what this right-wing Center for Medical Progress did.

You've hit the nail on the head. CMP is doing what others have done before them. Otherwise, this whole idea would have been shocking to them. And, there are companies who, for lack of a better term, wholesale these parts to research companies.

PP doesn't take a loss on this, I'm sure. One thing we've learned: PP is not a charity.

fate

I will search for a link

You been talking like you had already established that there were "unedited transcripts" you could quote..

Ah, so once again you've been making unsubstantiated claims.

rickyp wrote:fate

I will search for a link

You been talking like you had already established that there were "unedited transcripts" you could quote..

Ah, so once again you've been making unsubstantiated claims.

Accept my wager--if you have the conviction to do so.

In fairness to Ricky he has indicated in the past that he doesn't like to gamble.

I've been trying to look at comparative abortion rate statistics. In general it seems that abortion is less prevalent in western Europe than the US. However, I think you would have to look at average ages of the female population to understand whether this is a function of social safety net or age distribution (because females in their teens and 20's tend to have the most abortions.

It would also be interesting to look at comparative laws because they are not consistent throughout Europe. In fact, for reasons that I don't understand, Scotland has much lower abortion rates than England and Wales. And of course, you have to account for different religious traditions. In any case, this would make for a fascinating research topic. The Guttmacher institute has done much work here.

Ray Jay wrote:In fairness to Ricky he has indicated in the past that he doesn't like to gamble.

Allegedly. Of course, if he had confidence in his position, it would not actually be a gamble. On the other hand, if he was dishonestly pushing forward a bunch of nonsense, then of course he would not "like" to gamble.

The Guttmacher institute has done much work here.

If you look at their FB page, they're not very dispassionate. Now, that does not mean they cannot be accurate, but they are definitely pro-abortion.

ray

In fact, for reasons that I don't understand, Scotland has much lower abortion rates than England and Wales.

Would you want to have sex with a Scots man?


fate

In fact, for reasons that I don't understand, Scotland has much lower abortion rates than England and Wales.

If you actually had credible sources, you'd link them instead of trying to avoid doing so...

rickyp wrote:ray

In fact, for reasons that I don't understand, Scotland has much lower abortion rates than England and Wales.

Would you want to have sex with a Scots man?


fate

In fact, for reasons that I don't understand, Scotland has much lower abortion rates than England and Wales.

If you actually had credible sources, you'd link them instead of trying to avoid doing so...

Yes, well, my "source" was RJ. He actually wrote what you attributed to me.

It's interesting that you consistently make the most obvious of errors.

rickyp wrote:ray

In fact, for reasons that I don't understand, Scotland has much lower abortion rates than England and Wales.

Would you want to have sex with a Scots man?


fate

In fact, for reasons that I don't understand, Scotland has much lower abortion rates than England and Wales.

If you actually had credible sources, you'd link them instead of trying to avoid doing so...

First funny, then nasty. For this particular claim:

https://fullfact.org/factchecks/uk_abor ... ared-28456

A country’s abortion rate is a calculation of the number of abortions per 1000 women in the female population of childbearing age (15-44 years). Department of Health statistics show us that the abortion rate in the UK has fluctuated only slightly over the past 10 years. In 2011 there were approximately 17 abortions per 1,000 women in England and Wales, and 12 abortions per 1,000 women in Scotland.

I was trying to get a better sense of comparative policies and rates. I was wondering about the importance of safety net, religious affiliations, laws, etc. It would also make for a very interesting dissertation topic or field of study. But I have work to do.

In any case, here are a few interesting links that I found today.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/artic ... ation.html

http://www.euro.who.int/en/health-topic ... ean-region

http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/ ... brate.html

https://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_IAW. ... oCM5_w_wcB

http://www.theatlantic.com/internationa ... ns/278350/

First of all, RJ you can't just expect us to go through the arduous task of clicking on your links. But I did somehow manage it...interesting data.

It was giving me a headache trying to figure out just why you would making it up that Scotland has lower abortion rates than England and Wales...you're biased towards Scots? I don't get Ricky's suspicions here...maybe that is a stock line that just gets cut and pasted to posts?

Ray Jay wrote:https://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_IAW.html?gclid=CjwKEAjwjMauBRDH-bOCo56b13wSJABA2-Hv_YZucZsSe3RYHbOIQy5K3vlZX_kmKA4qt9HvqUplgxoCWkfw_wcB

A good link on abortion rates ... there doesn't seem to be much difference between western Europe and the US.. It would be good to see a breakdown amongst the European countries. I've read that northern Europe has higher abortion rates than southern Europe (which has a different religious tradition).

Yes, but Northern Europe still has a lower rate than North America on your link. The real difference is between East and West. In the former Warsaw Pact countries, contraception is used far less (and less reliable methods are used), and abortion rates are much higher. Particularly in Russia.

DF, seriously, if you don't like the source of the data that is fine, but if all you have is that, and not some more "accurate" data from a source you do trust, what do you have?

RJ - Scotland does have a significant Catholic minority, and there are also stricter Presbyterian strand. But Scotland may also have other differences to consider.

DF, please link us to some unedited transcripts and let's see what they say.

danivon wrote:DF, please link us to some unedited transcripts and let's see what they say.

No, too much work.

Doctor Fate wrote:

danivon wrote:DF, please link us to some unedited transcripts and let's see what they say.

No, too much work.

Oh well. So why should we believe what you tell us they will prove?

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