rickyp wrote:tom

nothing criminal about hiding her tracks either I suppose? Just today it surfaces that the guy who set up the whole mess, all his emails (except a Happy Birthday wish) have vanished. He works in IT, he set up her computer, he worked with her for years, he did send a happy birthday email ...but that's it?
No, nothing fishy there huh?

Whats your source Tom? Was it the WSJ?
Because the source for the WSJ story was the RNC ...
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2016/05/0 ... er-staffer

It follows a pattern of specific leaks, with little information but lots of innuendo by the RNC and congresss GOP staffers to provide rather meaningless stories. Its been conceded by everyone that the State Department's cyber records system, and security were a mess.

The State Department said today it can’t find Bryan Pagliano’s emails from the time he served as Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s senior information technology staffer during her tenure there.

Pagliano would have been required to turn over any official communications from his work account before he left the government. State Department officials say he had an official email account, but that they can't find any of those records he would have turned over and continue to search for them.

The department acknowledges that we must work to improve our systems for records management and retention. As part of this ongoing effort, the Department is now automatically archiving Secretary Kerry’s emails as well as the emails of numerous senior staff,” said Ms. Trudeau

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In fact they were recently hacked by the Russians. Which means, there's no evidence Clintons private servers were hacked, but the official ones were.Which do you think should be more concerning today? (hint, no one is allowed the use of private servers now)

The State Department has had a policy in place since 2005 to warn officials against routine use of personal email accounts for government work, a regulation in force during Hillary Clinton’s tenure as secretary of state that appears to be at odds with her reliance on a private email for agency business, POLITICO has learned.

Do you think this is actually important information adding anything to the story or is this...

CNN has previously reported that another former Clinton employee, Bryan Pagliano, who helped set up the server has provided documents and other materials as well as interviews to the FBI, under an immunity agreement. FBI officials overseeing the probe now expect to complete their work in the next few weeks and then turn over the findings to the Justice Department, which will make a final decision on whether to bring charges against anyone. Prosecutors from the Justice Department's national security division and from the U.S. Attorney's office in Alexandria, Va., have helped coordinate the FBI probe, closely overseeing investigative steps, the U.S. officials say.

The investigation is still ongoing, but so far investigators haven't found evidence to prove that Clinton willfully violated the law the U.S. officials say.

Source for this ? FBI .
http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/05/politics/ ... index.html

Fate

We'll see. It's not like he doesn't have a record of hacking.

Yes. He got into Colin Powellls private email server... And he's doing the world a favor by selflessly battling the elusive Illumanati, who rule us all from the shadows.
How did he use Powells information?

Guccifer later hacked Colin Powell's website and accessed years' worth of his correspondence from another AOL account. The correspondence included personal financial information as well as e-mails to George Tenet, Richard Armitage, and John Negroponte.[6]

The hacker also targeted U.S. Senator Lisa Murkowski, a senior UN Official, members of the Rockefeller family, former FBI and Secret Service agents,[7] as well as the brother of Barbara Bush, CBS sportscaster Jim Nantz, and former Miss Maine Patricia Legere.[8]

On March 20, 2013, USA Today reported that Guccifer had successfully hacked the e-mail account of former aide to president Bill Clinton, Sidney Blumenthal.[9] He distributed private memos sent to Secretary of State Hillary Clinton involving recent events in Libya, including the September 11, 2012 Benghazi attack.[10] Before distributing the memos, he copied and pasted the text into his own new documents, then reformatted them with pink backgrounds and Comic Sans font.[10] The hacker's IP address was traced to Russia, however there was no certainty as to whether this was his actual location or whether he had used a proxy to hide his true location.

In early May 2013, Guccifer hacked into online accounts owned by two members of the Council on Foreign Relations, as well as accounts owned by Adam Posen and his wife and another owned by a former Federal Reserve Board official.[11]

Candace Bushnell hacking[edit]
TSG reported on May 7, 2013, that Guccifer had hacked the Twitter feed and e-mail account of Sex and the City author Candace Bushnell.[11] Bushnell spent several hours fighting for control of the accounts, while Guccifer publicly posted portions of an unpublished manuscript to Bushnell's Twitter feed. Guccifer sent an e-mail to TSG claiming responsibility for the hack using the AOL account of actor Rupert Everett.[11]

Doctor Fate wrote:On the other hand, Hill's server had zero protection for the first couple of months . . .

Well, and she's lied a ton--about the server and other things.

danivon wrote:

Doctor Fate wrote:On the other hand, Hill's server had zero protection for the first couple of months . . .

Well, and she's lied a ton--about the server and other things.

Well, if you read the article, it's not about technical protection, as he used social engineering to get account details, which will always beat firewalls and IT security.

The source for the first part is "FBI officials. The second part about not finding "evidence to prove that Clinton willfully violated the law" cites "U. S. officials." That's a much broader category. I doubt that's an accident.

f you look at the reporting that has later been debunked, like the 147 FBI agents that were working on the case who turned out to be 12 guys and maybe some interns, the sourcing is always a thinly-veiled attribution that translates to Republican leaks. This is different. A news editor would be hard-pressed to allow a reporter to describe Republican lawmakers and aids as “US officials.”
What that means is that this is likely an agency leak, likely from the State Department, which does carry its own baggage, but which is heaps more credible than a leak from Trey Gowdy.

The investigation is still ongoing, but so far investigators haven’t found evidence to prove that Clinton willfully violated the law the U.S. officials say

GMTom wrote:wow, just WOW!
This guy sees nothing wrong in anything a liberal does.
Again, one can argue the severity of this "gaffe" but to claim it is nothing only paints Ricky as being blind and/or foolish. She DID violate the law in having her own server, again, argue the severity, fine. But to say she did nothing wrong is just as dumb as can be.

She DID violate the law in having her own server,

There was not an explicit, categorical prohibition against federal employees using personal emails when Clinton was in office, said Daniel Metcalfe, former director of the Department of Justice’s Office of Information Policy, where he administered implementation of the Freedom of Information Act. High-level officials like Clinton need the flexibility to sometimes use a personal email, such as responding to a national security emergency in the middle of the night.

So it seems she didn’t break a rule simply by using a personal email to conduct business. Rather, by using personal emails exclusively, she skirted the rules governing federal records management, Cox said.

we should note that it was only after Clinton left the State Department, that the National Archives issued a recommendation that government employees should avoid conducting official business on personal emails (though they noted there might be extenuating circumstances such as an emergency that require it). Additionally, in 2014, President Barack Obama signed changes to the Federal Records Act that explicitly said federal officials can only use personal email addresses if they also copy or send the emails to their official account.

Because these rules weren’t in effect when Clinton was in office, "she was in compliance with the laws and regulations at the time," said Gary Bass, founder and former director of OMB Watch, a government accountability organization.

"Unless she violated a rule dealing with the handling of classified or sensitive but unclassified information, I don’t see how she violated any law or regulation," said Bass, who is now executive director of the Bauman Foundation. "There may be a stronger argument about violating the spirit of the law, but that is a very vague area."

we should note that it was only after Clinton left the State Department, that the National Archives issued a recommendation that government employees should avoid conducting official business on personal emails (though they noted there might be extenuating circumstances such as an emergency that require it). Additionally, in 2014, President Barack Obama signed changes to the Federal Records Act that explicitly said federal officials can only use personal email addresses if they also copy or send the emails to their official account.

Because these rules weren’t in effect when Clinton was in office, "she was in compliance with the laws and regulations at the time," said Gary Bass, founder and former director of OMB Watch, a government accountability organization.

who's fooling who on her real guilt?

rickyp wrote:I really don't care if Clinton is charged.

That might mean Sanders ends up being the nominee and he'd probably beat Trump by a larger margin then Clinton.

My point in all this back and forth was to demonstrate that, once again, an attempt to destroy Clinton is failing. Because once again the haters have blown up a minor issue into soemthing that the facts can't actually sustain.
Thats all.

The very heart of FBI operations lies in our investigations—which serve, as our mission states, “to protect and defend the United States against terrorist and foreign intelligence threats and to enforce the criminal laws of the United States.” We currently have jurisdiction over violations of more than 200 categories of federal law, and you can find the major ones below, grouped within our national security and criminal priorities. Also visit our Intelligence program site, which underpins and informs all our investigative programs.

freeman3 wrote:The problem with alleging that Hillary committed a crime with regard to handling email is that when she doesn't get charged she more or less puts that issue to bed. I am wondering if Republicans would have been better served by not alleging anything criminal, but instead focusing on lack of judgment. Maybe not, maybe the issue only matters at all if she is charged criminally.

GMTom wrote:But the bigger problem is, ok, I can't trust Clinton, can I now trust Trump? That will be a hard sell!!!