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- Ray Jay
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18 Mar 2014, 11:44 am
Ray Jay:
It's worse than I thought; that's a per child price if you read the fine print.
By the way, Medicaid and CHIP already cover pediatric dental so there's even less of a reason to mandate this insurance requirement for the rest of us. It seems like a sop to the dental insurance industry.
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- Doctor Fate
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18 Mar 2014, 2:44 pm
A few side notes.
1. A week ago, I bumped into, nearly literally, Sen. Ed Markey at a Starbucks in Worcester. I could not bring myself to say hi to him, since I consider him to be little more than a party hack. I actually have more respect for Sen. Warren, even though she is dishonest and very liberal. Why? Because she doesn't just follow the Party orders. It was just as well that I didn't greet him as he appeared to have a nasty cold.
2. Late last week, while standing in line to buy books, I met . . . an adviser for Senator Rand Paul. He didn't really want to let people know who he was (we were in a crowd), but I asked a few questions anyway. He does polling for Paul and told me Obamacare polls at 80% against in purple districts. He said a "good issue" polls at 60. He also said the ONLY issue polling better than being against Obamacare was being for term limits for Congress.
Good luck on turning those numbers around, Democrats.
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- freeman3
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08 Apr 2014, 11:31 pm
Well, almost ten million have health care coverage that did not have it before while 1 million have lost coverage.
http://touch.latimes.com/#section/-1/ar ... -79773450/Sign-ups on the exchanges hit the seven million target set by the administration.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/01/politics/ ... ?c=&page=1By 2017 the CBO estimates that almost half of the uninsured will have coverage.
http://mediamatters.org/mobile/research ... ver/198702And of course the law mandates that the coverage meet minimum standards, so we are not even counting those who were previously under-insured who now have adequate coverage...
As predicted, the news would get better and the law would get more popular...
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- Doctor Fate
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09 Apr 2014, 7:12 am
You might want to
slow your victory roll:Money shot from the new RAND study. Estimated 36% of exchange enrollees previously uninsured (before March surge): pic.twitter.com/e9GpE8jToX
Again, though, think about it this way: let's say every single one of the 7.1M has paid and is new to medical insurance (and we know both assumptions are way, way wrong): that would represent maybe 1/7th of the uninsured. For all the cost and all the tumult, is that a victory?
Not for someone with common sense. If the goal was to cover the uninsured, the plan was flawed from the beginning.
Oh, and
here's some "good news":Health insurance premiums are showing the sharpest increases perhaps ever according to a survey of brokers who sell coverage in the individual and small group market. Morgan Stanley’s healthcare analysts conducted the proprietary survey of 148 brokers. The April survey shows the largest acceleration in small and individual group rates in any of the 12 prior quarterly periods when it has been conducted.
The average increases are in excess of 11% in the small group market and 12% in the individual market. Some state show increases 10 to 50 times that amount. The analysts conclude that the “increases are largely due to changes under the ACA.”
The analysts conducting the survey attribute the rate increases largely to a combination of four factors set in motion by Obamacare: Commercial underwriting restrictions, the age bands that don’t allow insurers to vary premiums between young and old beneficiaries based on the actual costs of providing the coverage, the new excise taxes being levied on insurance plans, and new benefit designs.
The prior survey conducted in January also showed rates rising during the fall of 2013, but the new increases will come on top of those hikes and are even sharper. That prior survey of 131 brokers found that December 2013 rates were rising in excess of 6% in the small group market, and 9% in the individual market.
The hikes in the small group market, on average, have been largest for the Blues plans, which reported average rate increases of almost 16% year-over-year for renewing contracts. In the individual market, the publicly traded health plans had higher increases than the blues, at an average of more than 11%, and private and not-for-profit plans had the highest average increases overall at 13%.
For the individual insurance market (plans sold directly to consumers); among the ten states seeing some of the sharpest average increases are: Delaware at 100%, New Hampshire 90%, Indiana 54%, California 53%, Connecticut 45%, Michigan 36%, Florida 37%, Georgia 29%, Kentucky 29%, and Pennsylvania 28%.
Keep telling yourself the ACA is making things better. No one who isn't "of Obama" will believe it. We prefer facts.
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- rickyp
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09 Apr 2014, 8:02 am
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For all the cost and all the tumult,
the tumult?
You mean the confusion caused by the constant barrage of nonsense from Bullshit Mountain about death panels, forced birth control, loss of freedom, losing doctors and runaway cost escalation...
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- freeman3
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09 Apr 2014, 8:56 am
It is inexcusable and shameful that our country, one of the richest in the world, before implementation of the ACA allowed 20 percent of its adult non-senior population (18-64 year-olds) not to have health coverage when other western countries cover everyone. Rand found that the number of uninsured adults had declined from 20.9 percent to 16.6 (and that was before the last minute sign-ups) if you're concerned that we have not done enough, then let's go to single-payer and we will have 100 percent coverage..,,
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- bbauska
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09 Apr 2014, 8:58 am
rickyp wrote:fate
For all the cost and all the tumult,
the tumult?
You mean the confusion caused by the constant barrage of nonsense from Bullshit Mountain about death panels, forced birth control, loss of freedom, losing doctors and runaway cost escalation...
Or all the changes in when different aspects of the ACA will become active? Who will be under the "mandate".
A pox on both your houses...
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- Doctor Fate
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09 Apr 2014, 10:43 am
bbauska wrote:rickyp wrote:fate
For all the cost and all the tumult,
the tumult?
You mean the confusion caused by the constant barrage of nonsense from Bullshit Mountain about death panels, forced birth control, loss of freedom, losing doctors and runaway cost escalation...
Or all the changes in when different aspects of the ACA will become active? Who will be under the "mandate".
A pox on both your houses...
Why on my house?
On the other hand, rickyp is flat-out lying. We know that many people are losing their doctors--because networks are paring down options to save money. That's not hard to prove. Try google. Here's one:
http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/stories ... works.aspxMedical insurance costs are going up. I post a Forbes article citing the percentages. Rickp slings mud.
He can babble on about "death panels," but that concept is part of the law--call it what you will. The rest of his screed is the sort of ill-informed nonsense we're used to seeing from him.
The "tumult" to which I primarily refer is fairly obvious: everyone is involved in some way with the law, but we didn't need to be. The vast majority of the population was satisfied with their pre-ACA coverage, but the Democrats wanted something more than simply covering the uninsured. If that was their only objective, they would have passed legislation affecting them only. That's not what they did.
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- rickyp
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09 Apr 2014, 10:56 am
bbauska
Or all the changes in when different aspects of the ACA will become active? Who will be under the "mandate".
If you are confused about all the changes is it because:?
1) The government hasn't done a great job of communicating the changes
2) the opposition has piled up bullshit and deliiberately distorted the effect of the ACA as a way of opposing the ACA and it is that disinformation that is confusing
3) You haven't personally tried to see what changes there are that affect you.
Its one or perhaps a combination of the three that may create doubts and confusion. But complaining about a tumult when the tumult was part of the strategy of obstruction is hypocritical.
The problem with complaining about "tumult" when much of the tumult was deliberate BS is much the same as complaining that the uninsured levels haven't been eliminated when 23 states that oppose the expansion of Medicaid and the ACA are responsibile for most of the uninsured.
However, with many states opting not to implement the Medicaid expansion, millions of adults will remain outside the reach of the ACA and continue to have limited, if any, option for health coverage: most do not have access to employer-based coverage through a job, few can afford coverage on their own, and most are currently ineligible for public coverage in their state. While a small share may be eligible to purchase subsidized coverage through the new Health Insurance Marketplaces, most have incomes below the poverty level and thus will be ineligible for these premium tax credits. It is unlikely that people who fall into the coverage gap will be able to afford Marketplace coverage: The national average premium for a 40-year-old individual purchasing coverage through the Marketplace is $270 per month for a silver plan and $224 per month for a bronze plan,7 which equates to about half of income for those at the lower income range of people in the gap and about a quarter of income for those at the higher income range of people in the gap. Further, people in the coverage gap are ineligible for cost-sharing subsidies for Marketplace plans and may face additional out-of-pocket costs up to $6,350 a year if they were to purchase Marketplace coverage. Given the limited budgets of people in the coverage gap, these costs are likely prohibitively expensive.
http://kff.org/health-reform/issue-brie ... -medicaid/
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- rickyp
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09 Apr 2014, 11:17 am
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The vast majority of the population was satisfied with their pre-ACA coverage
And the vast majority won't be affected by the ACA.
But that hasn't stopped Mt. BS from fomenting as if everyone were affected.
fate
We know that many people are losing their doctors--because networks are paring down options to save money. That's not hard to prove. Try google. Here's one:
http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/stories ... works.aspx
its interesting to note that your source is a story about government actions to mitigate the "narrowing" of health choice by insurance companies. And its also interesting to note that narrowing is designed to help create more efficiency in the health care system. There is always a balance to be made between efficiency and "choice" of course. But to complain about "losing doctors" without discussing the whole issue is part of the BS.
Then there's the "Will i be able to keep my doctor" BS. Caused in large part by Obama. Before ACA people buying individual insurance in particular, but all insured, often saw insurance companies cancel plans and force them to shop anew ... and in many cases their new plans forced them to new doctors. The ACA hasn't changed this situation. But that's not made clear by those opposed to any change...
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- bbauska
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09 Apr 2014, 12:42 pm
Not a pox on you personally, Steve.
A pox on the Republicans for the babyish attitudes about the ACA. It was passed with all democrats and no republicans. It should be left to fail without ANY help from the republicans. If the democrats want help from the republicans, then it should be a BI-PARTISAN bill.
I was always taught that if someone you don't like is screwing up, let them.
A pox on the democrats for ALL the changes to the mandated dates of required insurance, the changes that allow some businesses to be exempted and others not. To me that is bias and discriminatory.
I am not confused, but you are correct that the:
1.) government has buggered up the initial website and communication of the roll-out
2.) opposition has fought against the ACA (for good reasons!) and the dems are failing to own this "prized legislation"
3.) I do not need to see what changes are there for me. I am retired military and my health plan is set through that. However, I have seen nothing but red-tape, cost overruns, time delays and frustration with Neal Andereth's situation re: the ACA and state implementation here.
I disagree that this is not just the republicans, but I didn't expect much of a different response from you, RickyP. Careful... Your partisan slip is showing again.
The things that President Obama has said have not come true. You say that is because of a (insert excuse for President here).
I hold the elected officials accountable for their words. You should also.
If the Dems like the ACA so much, they should tout it on their re-election campaigns and let the people decide. Otherwise it is obfuscation, and cowardice.
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09 Apr 2014, 12:55 pm
rickyp wrote:bbauska
Or all the changes in when different aspects of the ACA will become active? Who will be under the "mandate".
If you are confused about all the changes is it because:?
1) The government hasn't done a great job of communicating the changes
Why don't you tell us what the changes have been? You make it seem as if no one should be confused, so go ahead, tell us what they are.
Btw, the government has spent hundreds of millions of dollars on this program. So, why can't they communicate? They've put the President everywhere to talk about the program, so why has he failed to communicate adequately?
2) the opposition has piled up bullshit and deliiberately distorted the effect of the ACA as a way of opposing the ACA and it is that disinformation that is confusing
You have no idea what you're talking about. I provide numbers, evidence, you dismiss it and go on a tirade.
Childish.
The problem with complaining about "tumult" when much of the tumult was deliberate BS is much the same as complaining that the uninsured levels haven't been eliminated when 23 states that oppose the expansion of Medicaid and the ACA are responsibile for most of the uninsured.
Nonsense. If that were the case, there would be nigh-on zero in the other States. That's not the case, is it?
However, with many states opting not to implement the Medicaid expansion, millions of adults will remain outside the reach of the ACA and continue to have limited, if any, option for health coverage: most do not have access to employer-based coverage through a job, few can afford coverage on their own, and most are currently ineligible for public coverage in their state. While a small share may be eligible to purchase subsidized coverage through the new Health Insurance Marketplaces, most have incomes below the poverty level and thus will be ineligible for these premium tax credits. It is unlikely that people who fall into the coverage gap will be able to afford Marketplace coverage: The national average premium for a 40-year-old individual purchasing coverage through the Marketplace is $270 per month for a silver plan and $224 per month for a bronze plan,7 which equates to about half of income for those at the lower income range of people in the gap and about a quarter of income for those at the higher income range of people in the gap. Further, people in the coverage gap are ineligible for cost-sharing subsidies for Marketplace plans and may face additional out-of-pocket costs up to $6,350 a year if they were to purchase Marketplace coverage. Given the limited budgets of people in the coverage gap, these costs are likely prohibitively expensive.
http://kff.org/health-reform/issue-brie ... -medicaid/
Newsflash: if the ACA is a good deal for most Americans, we'll figure it out. Why don't you either shut up or make sensible arguments?
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09 Apr 2014, 1:08 pm
rickyp wrote:fate
The vast majority of the population was satisfied with their pre-ACA coverage
And the vast majority won't be affected by the ACA.
But that hasn't stopped Mt. BS from fomenting as if everyone were affected.
Not true. The embedded taxes affect everyone. Furthermore, the increased requirements affect everyone--maternity and pediatric coverage for those who are beyond child-bearing, for example.
So, again, stop foaming at the mouth and try to write something intelligent. Maybe you should just plagiarize?
fate
We know that many people are losing their doctors--because networks are paring down options to save money. That's not hard to prove. Try google. Here's one:
http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/stories ... works.aspx
its interesting to note that your source is a story about government actions to mitigate the "narrowing" of health choice by insurance companies. And its also interesting to note that narrowing is designed to help create more efficiency in the health care system. There is always a balance to be made between efficiency and "choice" of course. But to complain about "losing doctors" without discussing the whole issue is part of the BS.
Your dearth of IQ is on full display. This shows people are losing their doctors as an unintended consequence of the ACA. The ACA was sold as having zero impact on those who had insurance. That's not my fault and it's not "BS." Well, except it was "the lie of the year" last year--if that's what you mean. Someone is full of it and so far it's been the Democrats.
Then there's the "Will i be able to keep my doctor" BS. Caused in large part by Obama. Before ACA people buying individual insurance in particular, but all insured, often saw insurance companies cancel plans and force them to shop anew ... and in many cases their new plans forced them to new doctors. The ACA hasn't changed this situation. But that's not made clear by those opposed to any change...
That's just a half-truth. Yes, there was turnover before the ACA, but . . . there is more now as a direct result of the ACA.
Try telling the truth too. That would, of course, eliminate your ability to post.
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09 Apr 2014, 1:12 pm
bbauska wrote:If the Dems like the ACA so much, they should tout it on their re-election campaigns and let the people decide. Otherwise it is obfuscation, and cowardice.
Of course, they would do this, but it is political hari-kari. Anyone with a pulse knows this is a political loser and I would love to see Dems do as Pelosi says--run on it and run proudly! It would do the country good to have upwards of 60 GOP Senators and about 300 or so GOP members of the House. That is what WOULD happen if they ran on the ACA. Instead, we're already seeing the outline of their strategy: War on Women II.
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- rickyp
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09 Apr 2014, 1:44 pm
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The embedded taxes affect everyone
Its always interesting when you accept the principles that up till now you've generally ignored or denied.
This idea of "embedded costs" in the health care system is one. Yes the ACA has "embedded costs within it .Any insurance system, shares this system. And in the US since health care is a right (through emergent care law) ...
The embedded costs of the uninsured effect everyone more...
Uninsured people eventually get their health care at emergency wards. The most expensive delivery method for health care....
So in the 23 states that haven't moved to accept Medicaid, the working poor that fall into the coverage gap will continue to cost everyone because they'll be lined up at emergency wards.
And yet texas and others states refuse to accept Medicaid, which would provide insurance that would allow the working poor to get their health care more efficiently and expeditiously.