freeman3 wrote:Just don't do any fracking near my groundwater...

http://www.propublica.org/article/new-s ... king-sites
http://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-Gener ... ation.html

You don't have any. #desert

Or you can move to a more hospitable location.

Where's the empathy for the Archduke who ( I think) lives in Pennsylvania?
In spite of all the drugs, gangs, guns, and bad values Los Angeles is still a very nice place to live

RJ, fair point about European economies being slower to bounce back since their economies are not as robust as that of the US. But what about China? GDP growth rates were 2008-2012 --9.6, 9.2,10.4, 9.3, 7.8; growth rates for 2004-2008 were 10.0, 10.1, 11.3,12.7, and 14.2.
So China has not quite recovered either...
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_China
China's growth rate in 2013 was 7.7%

As long as people are making the choices, the repercussions of those choices must be lived with.

I have empathy for a natural disaster victim. Not nearly as much empathy for a person who stays in an environment that they do not like, and then complains about it.

Example: I used to live on the outskirts of a small city. As it grew, the things about where I lived were not as enjoyable. It was turning into a more suburban from a country setting. For me to complain that the city changed is juvenile. If the city changes, it is up to me to go where I will be most satisfied.

I remember when Sarandon and Robbins said they were leaving the US when Bush 43 won the election. They have that right. It would have been more adult of them to make the choice to leave rather than complain, but that is neither here nor there.

bbauska wrote:As long as people are making the choices, the repercussions of those choices must be lived with.

I have empathy for a natural disaster victim. Not nearly as much empathy for a person who stays in an environment that they do not like, and then complains about it.

Example: I used to live on the outskirts of a small city. As it grew, the things about where I lived were not as enjoyable. It was turning into a more suburban from a country setting. For me to complain that the city changed is juvenile. If the city changes, it is up to me to go where I will be most satisfied.

Sure, but what if what happens if the place were they live is quite nice, and then politicians and corporations decide that they will do something to make it less nice, hitting property values hard, and so making it much more difficult for locals to simply move away.

I expect your example would not quite be the same - a growing suburb can actually lead to growing property values (if developed properly).

bbauska

Not nearly as much empathy for a person who stays in an environment that they do not like, and then complains about it.

People have to be able to make a living wherever they go. And they need security.
One reason a lot of people used to stay in jobs they disliked, and could not just up and move as you suggest, was that they got their health insurance through their employment. And had pre-existing medical conditions that would have not been covered under new coverage .
I take it that your penchant for mobility makes you a fan of Universal Health coverage that allows people to take them selves to any job, anywhere, (Well, I should use the phrase would allow in the US...) (Since we're on an Obama Care thread).


Also worth considering the philosophy that one should stay and fight for their homes, rather than cut and run. In a democratic society, that complaining, can have a purpose. (Although I've always wondered why the people who really knew how things should be run are always too busy driving cabs and cutting hair...)

freeman3 wrote:Where's the empathy for the Archduke ( who, I think) lives in Pennsylvania?
In spite of all the drugs, gangs, guns, and bad values Los Angeles is still a very nice place to live

You left out the traffic. :)

I'll never miss that.

The food? Yes. The Laker fanaticism? Yes. The weather? Yes.

Yeah, the traffic is horrible...but I could not live in Massachusetts because of the cold--my dad grew up in Amesbury, MA. It's scenic (and Boston is great) but I have only gone there in the summer...
I am not leaving Los Angeles...unless I can get a job in Hawaii!

freeman3 wrote:Where's the empathy for the Archduke who ( I think) lives in Pennsylvania?
In spite of all the drugs, gangs, guns, and bad values Los Angeles is still a very nice place to live

And there is actually a frackable shale deposit under LA - Long beach, as well as further up the coast towards Monterrey, and another area inland to the West/NorthWest of Bakersfield.

I'll be in LA in July, hope it is as nice as you say.

Uh oh, I live right next to Long Beach--Seal Beach. If you're near Orange County when you visit maybe we can meet for a beer.

danivon wrote:

freeman3 wrote:Where's the empathy for the Archduke who ( I think) lives in Pennsylvania?
In spite of all the drugs, gangs, guns, and bad values Los Angeles is still a very nice place to live

And there is actually a frackable shale deposit under LA - Long beach, as well as further up the coast towards Monterrey, and another area inland to the West/NorthWest of Bakersfield.

I'll be in LA in July, hope it is as nice as you say.

You'll love it--as long as you're not driving in rush hour or anytime there is an accident. Once you're out of LAX, traffic can be okay . . . sometimes.

freeman3 wrote:Uh oh, I live right next to Long Beach--Seal Beach. If you're near Orange County when you visit maybe we can meet for a beer.

See the map below:



We will be in Santa Barbara on the 17th, San Diego 18th & 19th, then in Orange County (the Hyatt Regency) 20th & 21st

By that time we may be a bit road-tired as we'll have driven down from Seattle and preparing for the drive out to Vegas.

But beer would be good.

It will be easier for me to drive to wherever you guys are in the OC (rather than you guys drive around when you want to rest, though the Main Street in Seal Beach is nice if you want to meet there) So just email me when you're in town if you have time in your schedule and we can meet around where your hotel is.

freeman3 wrote:RJ, fair point about European economies being slower to bounce back since their economies are not as robust as that of the US. But what about China? GDP growth rates were 2008-2012 --9.6, 9.2,10.4, 9.3, 7.8; growth rates for 2004-2008 were 10.0, 10.1, 11.3,12.7, and 14.2.
So China has not quite recovered either...
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_China
China's growth rate in 2013 was 7.7%

I don't think the world has ever witnessed a population that size growing that fast for that long. I would think 8% is still breathtaking enough. Any western country would be overjoyed to have those kinds of growth rates. You certainly haven't proven that ACA has added to US economic growth. China is such a different situation that it doesn't provide support to any of our arguments, as far as I can tell.