But at least Trump is committed to telling everyone the truth about 9/11. (being facetious here...)

DONALD TRUMP: We went after Iraq, they did not knock down the World Trade Center. It wasn’t the Iraqis that knocked down the World Trade Center, we went after Iraq, we decimated the country, Iran’s taking over, okay.

But it wasn’t the Iraqis, you will find out who really knocked down the World Trade Center. Because they have papers in there that are very secret, you may find it’s the Saudis, okay? But you will find out.

But when I look at a guy like Lindsey Graham, you’ll end up being over in that war forever, you’ll start World War Three

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http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/ ... audis.html

dag hammarsjkold wrote:Rickyp asked:

Which of Sanders policies do you consider extreme? Medicare for all? Regulating the financial institutions better? Breaking up the banks before they are too big to fail?

The one that really gets me is his promise of free tuition for college students. This is never going to happen and he's knows it. I can't even say this promise is ambitious. It's just a downright lie and play to young people.

Free college tuition already happens in most of the western world, Dag. If the rest of the western world can do it, why can't the USA?

geojanes wrote:

dag hammarsjkold wrote:Rickyp asked:

Which of Sanders policies do you consider extreme? Medicare for all? Regulating the financial institutions better? Breaking up the banks before they are too big to fail?

The one that really gets me is his promise of free tuition for college students. This is never going to happen and he's knows it. I can't even say this promise is ambitious. It's just a downright lie and play to young people.

Free college tuition already happens in most of the western world, Dag. If the rest of the western world can do it, why can't the USA?

If it is free, why do colleges and universities have tuition? Is it really free? How do colleges get paid?

Perhaps you mean that the taxpayer pays for it, rather than a student.

bbauska wrote:If it is free, why do colleges and universities have tuition? Is it really free? How do colleges get paid?

Perhaps you mean that the taxpayer pays for it, rather than a student.

Indeed!

geojanes wrote:

bbauska wrote:If it is free, why do colleges and universities have tuition? Is it really free? How do colleges get paid?

Perhaps you mean that the taxpayer pays for it, rather than a student.

Indeed!

Then it is not free. Indeed...

bbauska wrote:

geojanes wrote:

bbauska wrote:If it is free, why do colleges and universities have tuition? Is it really free? How do colleges get paid?

Perhaps you mean that the taxpayer pays for it, rather than a student.

Indeed!

Then it is not free. Indeed...

Nations make choices in how they decide to spend money. In the USA we say a HS education is free to any resident who wants it. In most other western nations, they say a college education is free to any resident who wants it. The USA doesn't do that, but the concept is certainly not radical on a global scale. But off-topic. Sorry.

dag hammarsjkold wrote:Rickyp asked:

Which of Sanders policies do you consider extreme? Medicare for all? Regulating the financial institutions better? Breaking up the banks before they are too big to fail?

The one that really gets me is his promise of free tuition for college students. This is never going to happen and he's knows it. I can't even say this promise is ambitious. It's just a downright lie and play to young people.

So when Trump promises the undeliverable and is all over the place saying what people want to hear, you want to vote for him. When Sanders does the same he's too extreme?

Does not compute.

danivon wrote:

dag hammarsjkold wrote:Rickyp asked:

Which of Sanders policies do you consider extreme? Medicare for all? Regulating the financial institutions better? Breaking up the banks before they are too big to fail?

The one that really gets me is his promise of free tuition for college students. This is never going to happen and he's knows it. I can't even say this promise is ambitious. It's just a downright lie and play to young people.

So when Trump promises the undeliverable and is all over the place saying what people want to hear, you want to vote for him. When Sanders does the same he's too extreme?

Does not compute.

For a moment in time, I agree with Danivon.

Well, to be fair, we also agree that soccer is a brilliant sport.

Rickyp wrote:

What he's promising and what he can deliver are indeed two different things. You seem to be willing to excuse and forget Trumps BS promises and expect him to govern differently. But not Bernie?
Maybe because Bernie is actually sincere? Authentic? And Trumps is pure BS? And that's his attraction?

I don't mean to give the impression that I excuse Trump for his insanity it's just that he strikes me as able to get deals done. Don't get me wrong, he will be a tremendous sell out once he's in. But he will also get deals done one way or the other. The Berndog on the other hand, may turn out to be a political liability and I fear will fail again and again to get any deals done.

Good shout to point out that free tuition exists elsewhere in the world but it doesn't exist here and never could. It just angers me that this particular Berndog lie is so blatant and such a play for votes.

I don't think that Trump the Chump offers pure BS. He offers BS but not pure BS. I believe he truly believes his positions. I"m also not as certain as you of Berndog's altruism.

I don't think that Trump the Chump offers pure BS. He offers BS but not pure BS. I believe he truly believes his positions.

Really ? He doesn't give that impression to me. I don't believe he has a single principle that he wouldn't be willing to drop in a heartbeat. That can sometimes be an advantage of course.

dag

I don't mean to give the impression that I excuse Trump for his insanity it's just that he strikes me as able to get deals done.

His busines experience is limited to real estate deals, marketing rights deals and broadcast rights deals. And many of his real estate deals failed. He was bailed out by bankruptcy laws that meant his creditors shared in his failure but he escaped relatively whole. A form of bankruptcy law that often seems inherently unfair. KInd of like the socialized risk that we saw in the bank bailouts in 08 and in the Savings and Loans debacles in the 80s.
He was so uneven in his development deals that he now does mostly marketing deals. His name is used on developments and he gets a share of revenue or a rent without risking anything.
He's essentially a Kardashian.

dag

I don't think that Trump the Chump offers pure BS

Occassionally even a blind squirrel finds an acorn. But Trump demonstrates that his base of knowledge is largely internet tripe.
Witness his recent BS about Pershing dipping bullets in pigs blood and executing Filipino guerrillas resisting the occupation of their country by the US. (no actual position on the morality of the occupation by Trump BTW)
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/trump-hails- ... od-ammo-sc

"I heard" is apparently sufficient for this idiot to sustain any claim he makes, any policy he supports.
He is, I'll give him this, utterly immune to shaming or social pressure. Its why he does serve a purpose in uncovering nonsensical Republican claims like "Bush kept us safe", and his support for Planned Parenthood is remarkable within the narrow constraints of what serves as conservative thought.
But supporting insanity is insane Dag.

Not that I support Trump, but all your post says Trump is insane unless he agrees with you.

Do you often think that everyone who disagrees with you is insane?

bbauska wrote:Not that I support Trump, but all your post says Trump is insane unless he agrees with you.

Do you often think that everyone who disagrees with you is insane?

Well, no it also points out that his business acumen is not always that great for people who are not Donald Trump (or even if they are). He inherited a property empire, managed to see it go bankrupt and yes, to his credit built it back up again. But also via two more bankruptcies

He can make deals, but I think sometimes it is just for the sake of making deals. He doesn't seem to care who he is making deals with, and sometimes it is less about making money than an ego-trip (how each signature building has to have his name in massive letters on it)

And I get from what Ricky is saying is that even when he is "right", he's being so despite the lunacy. It just serves a purpose.

It's probably not worth focusing on Trump's policies that much. Does anybody seriously believe that he won't end up breaking all of his promises ?

bbauska

Not that I support Trump, but all your post says Trump is insane unless he agrees with you

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Please reread. I said

"I heard" is apparently sufficient for this idiot to sustain any claim he makes, any policy he supports

and I offered examples where obvious internet garbage is what he relies upon for information. (Pershing, 9/11 conspiracies, he was the biggest birther, The Pope judging one's faithfullness to Christian values is wrong. (kinda the Pope's job description). )
All of this is not the product of a serious person. And yes, I think he is so narcissistic that he is mentally ill.
And to support THIS, as Dag professes, Is insane. To risk that he would suddenly gain reason when he gets elected defies reason itself.... Look at African dictators and Mussolini for your models Dag... They become even crazier when they get the job. They believe that their election is certification of their unique talents.
He does occasionally present arguments, and positions with a little more consideration, supported by "actual facts" and not stuff "he heard". But, as I said, the blind squirrel occassionally finds an acorn.
Is it useful to have the trope about George Bush keeping the country safe attacked within the republican Party? I think so. But the cost?
Is it useful for republicans to understand that the economy is skewed to benefit only a small percentage and the money has gamed the system? Its actually a Tea Party position ...so having a major candidate verbalize this regularly is probably good. (It also prepares the electorate for the inevitable debate in the general election over who can actually offer programs that fix this...)
But is is worthwhile to have another Republican candidate offer a fiscal plan that can't withstand even cursory vetting by economists? Or offer nonsense like trillion dollar walls and the forcible arrest and deportation of 11,000,000 as serious policy? No.
About a third of the republican party seems to support Trump and another 20% Cruz who is similarly challenged by reality. It has made the cypher Rubio swing to extreme positions in order to be considered. And those candidates who haven't abandoned reality are largely no-hopers...
its an insane process, dominated by an insane narcissist and fueled by a media that has abandoned their role as the fourth estate.
The people really benefiting from this are democratic candidates this fall.