danivon wrote:Ray Jay wrote:Amen. I think we are done ... I was partially joking when I called him anti-Semitic ... but really, are we saying that all Jewish delis have an established view on he middle east and will throw you out if you disagree? But mostly I was joking.
Do you really think such accusations are a joking matter? Mind you, looks like ricky was joking too, but frankly it all falls flat after all the above and without any emoticons or indications of levity.
ok. But I think at that point Ricky and I had made up and our tones were mirroring each other. But ok, here are two emoti for you.
I've learned that there is a wide variety of anti-zionisms. I've quoted some from Wikipedia and they are a disease. But that's not Ricky.
All of them?
I quoted about 15 paragraphs from Wikipedia. Much of that is sick. I read stuff like that every day in the comment section of Al Jazeera.
I'm not sure I believe in an absolute right to return for all Jews to Israel (or for anyone to any ancestral homeland).
ok, you don't have to. You aren't a Zionist. Ricky said he does. I do too.
I certainly disagree with the expansion of settlements in the occupied areas of Palestine.
I don't think that defines you as an anti-Zionist, but Ricky does because he has quoted Wikipedia.
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And I have reservations about founding a state based on ethno-religious grounds in an area where until recently that ethno-religious group was a minority (it's troubling enough in a majority).
Ricky seems ok with it. I'm more than ok with it.
Before the 1940s, Zionism and the opposition to it were about a potential future. Since then it is about a real present and past. We can't turn back the clock and undo the harms of the past. And so the Anti-Zionism that is about dismantling Israel is dangerous because that would cause more bloodshed.
100% agree. Not only is it dangerous; it is pervasive.
But there has to be a way to describe opposition to the expansionism or separatist policies of prominent Israeli politicians and sometimes the government itself. And critics of the way that the Zionist project is being carried out, particularly by Likud and as envisioned by Yisrael Beitenyu or Jewish Home do need to be able to be heard.
That's the point I've been trying to make for 2 pages, so thanks for clarifying it. Ricky is calling that anti-Zionism. However, those sorts of reasonable views are very different than the 15 paragraphs that I quoted where Zionists are responsible for the Holocaust, distracting you all with soccer, swimming, bullfighting, tennis, spreading Hep C and HIV, the French and Russian Revolutions, both world wars, colonialism, Darfur. I spent a day walking around in Mexico City and every newsstand sells copies of the Protocols. (You should have seen my cab driver's expression when I told him I was Jewish, or at least I think that's what I said, but my Spanish is rusty so perhaps I said I am a walrus; must be judging by his look. Wait ...
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These are 2 very different things: opposition to settlements and blaming Jews for HIV. I don't like them both being called anti-Zionism.
19 Mar 2015, 3:51 pm 
) Jews in France are taking down mezuzahs from the front of their homes. They are taking yarmulkes off their heads, and they are putting necklaces with Jewish symbols inside their shirts. Yes, Netanyahu is incredibly annoying trying to exploit the situation. But let's reserve our anger for the people creating this situation.