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Post 22 Nov 2014, 1:04 pm

Seven enquiries in, some run by the House Republicans, and still no smoking gun to blame Obama.

How much taxpayer's money is being wasted on this ongoing quest. An Eighth due to report next year, and this one comes with a demand for a Senate enquiry.

Perhaps someone can have a go at debunking this report. Until then it looks like a massive witch hunt, and one that seems to be distracting Congress-critters from their other responsibilities.
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Post 22 Nov 2014, 1:08 pm

Like passing the repeal of the ACA ...
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Post 22 Nov 2014, 1:19 pm

bbauska
Perhaps you could answer his 4 points and show how
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I'll let th committee answer... you argue with them
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1) There was sufficient security

The Republican-led House Select Committee on Intelligence on Friday released its report on the deadly 2012 attack on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, Libya, and it found that the military and the Central Intelligence Agency responded appropriately during the attacks.
The investigation, which took nearly two years and thousands of hours of work, found the CIA had "ensured sufficient security" and "bravely assisted" on the night of attacks that killed four Americans, including U.S. Ambassador Christopher Stevens

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2) The attack DID have something to do with a video

The report did say that the initial narrative by the White House that the attack stemmed from a protest was not accurate, but it blamed that on contradictory intelligence assessments in the attack’s aftermath rather than an effort to obscure the truth. The committee said it found "no evidence that any officer present during the attacks was intimidated" to prevent them from addressing Congress or revealing what they witnessed
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3) The White House/State Department were prepared for an attack
The panel also found no intelligence failure prior to the attacks.
The committee said it found no evidence that the military was ordered to "stand down" during the attacks in Benghazi, as some had claimed, and that "appropriate U.S. personnel made reasonable tactical decisions that night." It also found no evidence of similar claims that the CIA was involved in arms shipments or other unauthorized activities


4) That this was "Random Protestors"
Ahmed Abu Khatallah, 43, the alleged leader of the Ansar al-Sharia militia, was captured in a June raid and currently faces charges in the U.S. that could include the death penalty


http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/hou ... rs-n253921

Your point being what? That this republican lead committee and the 12 that proceeded it, are lieing or covering up?



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Post 22 Nov 2014, 2:53 pm

rickyp wrote:And says this about Ms. Rice's television interview...
In the immediate aftermath of the attack, intelligence about who carried it out and why was contradictory, the report found. That led Susan Rice, then U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, to inaccurately assert that the attack had evolved from a protest, when in fact there had been no protest. But it was intelligence analysts, not political appointees, who made the wrong call, the committee found. The report did not conclude that Rice or any other government official acted in bad faith or intentionally misled the American people


Allow me to state the obvious, since it's beyond your grasp: IF, as your summary says, there was "contradictory" intelligence about who carried out the attack and why it occurred, then Susan Rice should not confidently assert that it was a random protest, much like those elsewhere, and focused on the video.

Isn't that clear? If you don't know something, you don't say what she said.

Well, then again, maybe YOU would.

The narrative of many on the right about a conspiracy and a cover up is well documented.


Yes, but you've misrepresented it. The "conspiracy" was about covering up the truth before the election and to make sure Hillary emerged unscathed.

Especially the nonsense about Rice hieing to the American people for political purpose.


Actually, that's still pretty clear. Again, if there was confusion, then the correct answer was "We don't know yet." Period. End. No more.

My point in posting this wasn't to set up another debate about Ben Ghazi. That has obviously been settled. (Although the House wants to spend another 3.5million$ and keep on "hearing")
The point was to illustrate the skewed reporting on the issue that many are subject to.,... (And I'm looking at you)


It's not settled. You keep believing the nonsense you're fed by the White House, which is amazing--given their documented history of lying like none other since Nixon. Oh, and persecuting the press.
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Post 22 Nov 2014, 2:55 pm

danivon wrote:Seven enquiries in, some run by the House Republicans, and still no smoking gun to blame Obama.


Never thought it would implicate Obama. So, any more straw men you'd care to ignite?

How much taxpayer's money is being wasted on this ongoing quest. An Eighth due to report next year, and this one comes with a demand for a Senate enquiry.


You may be right. As we have a White House hell-bent on obstruction, it may indeed be a waste of money. We won't know the truth until Obama is in Valhalla, or at least out of office.
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Post 22 Nov 2014, 3:27 pm

Rickyp, your post is crap, like usual. That NBC link said nothing. You rely on a few meager paragraphs to summarize the entire report? I know you despise Fox, but Catherine Herridge does more national security reporting than the entire network of NBC does.

Fox News was first to report on September 17, 2012, one day after Rice's controversial Sunday talk show appearances, that there were no protests when the attack unfolded.

"One day after the assault, on 9/12/12, the first CIA assessment about the attacks, a September 12th Executive update, said ‘the presence of armed assailants from the incident’s outset suggests this was an intentional assault and not the escalation of a peaceful protest,” investigators found. And while intelligence gaps remain, "No witness has reported believing at any point that the attacks were anything but terrorist acts,” the report added.

On Saturday September 14, 2012, Deputy National Security Adviser Ben Rhodes wrote in an email titled "PREP CALL with Susan," that one of the goals for the administration's public statements should be "To underscore that these protests are rooted in an Internet video, and not a broader failure of policy." The House report says these conclusions were "incorrect."

Judicial Watch, not Congress, obtained the Rhodes email as the result of a federal lawsuit.


Read that carefully and note:

1. No one on scene ever thought it was anything other than terrorism.
2. The White House (Rhodes) stressed the video and it was "not a broader failure of policy." Yet, this report says both of those are untrue. Funny how NBC missed that.
3. Fox News was the first to report (correctly) that there was no connection between the video and the attack.
4. The White House obstructed Congress' investigation so that only a lawsuit by Judicial Watch forced the Administration to produce Rhodes' email.

Live and learn, rickyp.

Why should the investigations continue? (from the article)

The report found the CIA's Office of Public Affairs made three “substantive” changes to the talking points that included the removal of references to Al Qaeda and swapping the word "attacks" with "demonstrations." It is not clear from the publicly available, and heavily redacted emails exactly who made the changes and who directed them, since the CIA public affairs office would be unlikely to make these changes unilaterally.


To put it bluntly, no one has been held accountable. We don't know who made those changes.

Now, to your ridiculous post. Bbauska asked you to answer four questions. You dodged. For example: "1) Was there sufficient security?" The summary says, ". . . the military and the Central Intelligence Agency responded appropriately during the attacks." That is not an answer. Security would be forces available for defense at the outset, not "response." The security was overcome in a short bit of time. So, your response is an epic fail.

2. Was the attack due to the video? You respond with ". . . the initial narrative. . . (that) the attack stemmed from a protest was not accurate . . ." but there was confusion. Again, that's a dodge. There is no evidence at all that the attack was related to the video. Rhodes email puts a HUGE political spin on it. You want to deny it, go ahead, but it's sheer obstinacy.

3. Was the White House/State Department prepared for an attack. Sadly, your miniscule synopsis doesn't actually address this. "No intelligence failure" is not the same as "prepared." It does not exclude bad decision-making or failure to anticipate the obvious. Plus, intelligence services knew about the terror activity, including previous assaults on the consulate, an attempt on the UK ambassador, etc. So, your pathetic article is no response.

4. Were the attackers random protesters? Again, your answer is not really an answer. What you did put seems to indicate that indeed it was terrorists and not a random mob.

rickyp wrote:Your point being what? That this republican lead committee and the 12 that proceeded it, are lieing (sic) or covering up?


Well, that would not be my point. My point would be you should do some research and stop being a fool. The only people lying and covering up are the White House. They refuse to give documents, buy people off (Morell hopes to work for Clinton's campaign, how sweet) and hold no one accountable.

Educate yourself and stop using Cliff's notes.
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Post 22 Nov 2014, 3:50 pm

RickyP,
I gave one point. The rest you can deal with DF.
1) Insufficient security is NOT the same as response. Let me help you. One is preparation, and one happens afterwards.

Let me ask you as simply as possible so you can understand and hopefully give a yes or no answer.

Did the Embassy/Consulate have sufficient security to ensure that an attack would not happen?
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Post 23 Nov 2014, 10:19 am

So, the Republican lead investigation's conclusions didn't satisfy the conspiracy theorists ?
Not surprising....

Did the Embassy/Consulate have sufficient security to ensure that an attack would not happen?


It is impossible to have enough security to stop a attack from happening. Even the most heavily defended structure can be attacked. The question is, what kind of force is required for an attack to be successful? Was the defensive force sufficient to withstand the attack? Since the Embassy wasn't supposed to be used, the Annex is the place that you have to consider...

Two people died in the attack on the Embassy Two of the military (CIA security) defending the CIA Annex died. The rest, all were safely evacuated. That;s a successful military mission.
Given the high cost that would have been involved in continuing to defend the annex.... an evacuation made sense. Don't you think?
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Post 23 Nov 2014, 2:36 pm

rickyp wrote:It is impossible to have enough security to stop a attack from happening. Even the most heavily defended structure can be attacked. The question is, what kind of force is required for an attack to be successful? Was the defensive force sufficient to withstand the attack? Since the Embassy wasn't supposed to be used, the Annex is the place that you have to consider...

That;s a successful military mission.


Let me ask you this. What expertise do you base your definition of what a successful mission is?

Is it a success to have your position overrun?
Is it a success to have the ambassador killed?
Is it a success to have the consulate burned?

I did military security and weapons for 20 years and have a degree in military history. I feel very safe in saying that is the stupidest definition of a successful mission I have EVER heard.
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Post 23 Nov 2014, 3:25 pm

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I did military security and weapons for 20 years and have a degree in military history

and yet you think its possible to have sufficient security to stop an attack from happening...

Why don't you actually read the report.
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2014/image ... report.pdf

It doesn't excuse the State Department security. And in fact based on the testimony on page 15, one wonders why Christopher was using the Embassy.

It praises the CIA security and the defense of the Annex. And the successful evacuation.
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Post 24 Nov 2014, 9:15 am

Doctor Fate wrote:
danivon wrote:Seven enquiries in, some run by the House Republicans, and still no smoking gun to blame Obama.


Never thought it would implicate Obama. So, any more straw men you'd care to ignite?
I did not refer to you at all, so what makes you so sure I meant it was what you think?

I do, however, stand by the implication that some - in Congress and without - are pursuing the issue in the hope that it will end up with a means to blame Obama.

How much taxpayer's money is being wasted on this ongoing quest. An Eighth due to report next year, and this one comes with a demand for a Senate enquiry.


You may be right. As we have a White House hell-bent on obstruction, it may indeed be a waste of money. We won't know the truth until Obama is in Valhalla, or at least out of office.
This assumes that there is some hidden truth that makes a material difference and that it is down to the White House that it cannot be found by the many, many Congressmembers and citizens who are searching for it.

Some of the truth may well remain classified for national security reasons for many more years to come.
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Post 24 Nov 2014, 5:02 pm

rickyp wrote:So, the Republican lead investigation's conclusions didn't satisfy the conspiracy theorists ?


Right, like Senator Graham? He's one who is not satisfied. You remember him--right-wing, extreme, Tea Party? :laugh:

Meanwhile, how's this for "crazy?" It turns out the CIA was moving weapons through Benghazi to Syria.

The report also shed new light on the CIA operation in Benghazi. Morell said the CIA annex was in eastern Libya “collecting intelligence about foreign entities that were themselves collecting weapons in Libya and facilitating their passage to Syria. The Benghazi Annex was not itself collecting weapons.”


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/11 ... zi-attack/
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Post 24 Nov 2014, 5:09 pm

danivon wrote:I do, however, stand by the implication that some - in Congress and without - are pursuing the issue in the hope that it will end up with a means to blame Obama.


Hey, hold whatever implausible theory you like. And, sorry, the dumbest members of Congress are Democrats. I can prove it if you like. Google "Hank Johnson Guam."

This assumes that there is some hidden truth that makes a material difference and that it is down to the White House that it cannot be found by the many, many Congressmembers and citizens who are searching for it.


This is the same Administration that swore all of Lois Lerner's emails were irretrievably erased. Then, last Friday, a mere 30,000 were turned over to Congress. It's also the same Administration that has gone after "unfriendly" reporters full force. It's the same Administration that lied over and over during the ACA passage. Oh, and that culminated with the President hilariously dismissing Gruber as "some adviser."

The next time Obama tells the truth will be the first. His whole Administration has been one of deception, denial, and cover-up.

Some of the truth may well remain classified for national security reasons for many more years to come.


Funny, they're never shy about leaking info and photos, even information that results in, say, a Pakistani doctor being imprisoned for helping the US kill OBL.
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Post 24 Nov 2014, 5:43 pm

rickyp wrote:bbauska
I did military security and weapons for 20 years and have a degree in military history

and yet you think its possible to have sufficient security to stop an attack from happening...

Why don't you actually read the report.
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2014/image ... report.pdf

It doesn't excuse the State Department security. And in fact based on the testimony on page 15, one wonders why Christopher was using the Embassy.

It praises the CIA security and the defense of the Annex. And the successful evacuation.


Security is not what keep an attack from starting. We agree on that. Any dipstick can get a weapon and try an assault. SUFFICIENT SECURITY (your words) will repulse that attack.

However, would SUFFICIENT SECURITY (your words) be the amount of SECURITY to keep an attack from:
Having your position overrun?
Having the ambassador killed?
Having the consulate burned?

RickyP, you changed the definition from sufficient security to a successful mission. That is goalpost moving.

Was the security at Benghazi "sufficient" enough to STOP THE ATTACK? The answer is no.

Security staffing levels are something that the State Department and the Ambassador set. Stevens asked for more security. I also praise the CIA security for what they did. I do not praise those who set security levels. Who would that be? Who did Stevens ask? That would be a great question to get an answer to.
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Post 25 Nov 2014, 4:09 pm

Doctor Fate wrote:
danivon wrote:I do, however, stand by the implication that some - in Congress and without - are pursuing the issue in the hope that it will end up with a means to blame Obama.


Hey, hold whatever implausible theory you like.
Let's see...

Nutbars at Breitbart.com
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2013 ... r-Benghazi

Allen West
http://conservativetribune.com/west-oba ... d-treason/

one of the many hearings
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 06043.html

To a section of Republicans, this is about being able to blame and impeach Obama. This is not even implausible, it is demonstrable.

And, sorry, the dumbest members of Congress are Democrats. I can prove it if you like. Google "Hank Johnson Guam."
Now, that, bbauska, is "whataboutery". It's not even relevant.