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Post 08 Feb 2016, 2:44 pm

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You should listen to your idol more often. He abuses Scripture as much as anyone who has ever held the office


Bruce Springsteen does not abuse Scripture.


Well, yes he does and I've seen him in concert more than you.
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Post 08 Feb 2016, 3:37 pm

Doctor Fate wrote:
Doctor Fate wrote:1. Kasich
2. Jeb
3. Trump
4. Cruz
5. Rubio
6. Christie
7. Carson


To be clear: even though I thought Christie was incredible, it was as a prosecutor. I just don't think that works to win him votes. In fact, I'd say he went kamikaze last night: it was like his goal was to take out Rubio without a care for what happened to his own chances.


I agree with your rankings and assessment of Christie. The guy is a huge jerk and I hope people have finally seen his true colors. Something funny I caught; he said: "You have not been involved in a consequential decision where you need to be held accountable." Thanks Governor, can I talk to you about a certain bridge closing? Are you finally volunteering to be held accountable by actions taken by your office?
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Post 08 Feb 2016, 4:24 pm

rickyp wrote:Fate
You should listen to your idol more often. He abuses Scripture as much as anyone who has ever held the office


Bruce Springsteen does not abuse Scripture.


http://www.nyblueprint.com/music/boss-and-bible
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Post 08 Feb 2016, 7:18 pm

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rickyp wrote:Fate
You should listen to your idol more often. He abuses Scripture as much as anyone who has ever held the office


Bruce Springsteen does not abuse Scripture.


http://www.nyblueprint.com/music/boss-and-bible


I don't know any Jewish mothers who think that Springsteen is one of the tribe.
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Post 09 Feb 2016, 7:09 am

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Well, yes he does and I've seen him in concert more than you
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How could you possibly know how many times I've seen Springsteen?
And why is concert attendance the only way to experience his music?

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http://www.nyblueprint.com/music/boss-and-bible

Thanks for this. I especially liked this part...
Bruce explores many of the same themes that make religion such a deep part of the human spirit. His songs are about how to maintain faith and love and hope, even through times of suffering,” observed Rabbi Jeremy Kalmanofsky of Congregation Ansche Chesed in Manhattan. Even Springsteen’s concerts are religious experiences, he mused. “There is nothing like being with tens and thousands of other people in an arena, as Bruce sings ‘My City of Ruins.’ He’s chanting ‘I pray for the faith, Lord. I pray for the strength, Lord,’ and we all chant ‘Rise up!’ It’s a true religious moment.”
When Rabbi Dan Ornstein, spiritual leader of Congregation Ohav Shalom in Albany, and a longtime Springsteen fan, teaches the Cain and Abel story, he urges his students to examine Genesis Rabbah and other commentaries. “But of course we look at ‘Adam Raised A Cain.’ That song takes the story and gives it a unique interpretive twist. It’s a modern Springsteenian midrash, as are his references to the Promised Land, building a cross from the tree of evil and the tree of good and others. Whenever pop and general culture can draw students nearer to ancient biblical texts in a way that isn’t cheesy and forced, and doesn’t overdo the analogy between the two forms of literary expression, it is helpful.


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I don't know any Jewish mothers who think that Springsteen is one of the tribe

What about the two Rabbi's quoted above? Do their views inform differently?
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Post 09 Feb 2016, 7:26 am

rickyp wrote:Fate
Well, yes he does and I've seen him in concert more than you
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How could you possibly know how many times I've seen Springsteen?
And why is concert attendance the only way to experience his music?


The second question is the tip that I'm right.

I'm willing to measure fandom however you'd like. In the number of albums owned? Tunes on your computer? Associated bands that I own their music? Whatever you want. He's my favorite socialist and I can prove it all night. I used "My Father's House" in a poetry class.

Springsteen is a "religious experience" only in the sense that he commands an audience. His notion of "faith" is not trust in God, but a belief in self and in some nebulous "good" in the Universe that will ultimately prevail.

What Springsteen excels at is expressing the difficulties and joys inherent in relationships. See "Highway Patrolman" or "Tunnel of Love" for example.
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Post 09 Feb 2016, 8:16 am

rickyp wrote:
Thanks for this. I especially liked this part...
Bruce explores many of the same themes that make religion such a deep part of the human spirit. His songs are about how to maintain faith and love and hope, even through times of suffering,” observed Rabbi Jeremy Kalmanofsky of Congregation Ansche Chesed in Manhattan. Even Springsteen’s concerts are religious experiences, he mused. “There is nothing like being with tens and thousands of other people in an arena, as Bruce sings ‘My City of Ruins.’ He’s chanting ‘I pray for the faith, Lord. I pray for the strength, Lord,’ and we all chant ‘Rise up!’ It’s a true religious moment.”
When Rabbi Dan Ornstein, spiritual leader of Congregation Ohav Shalom in Albany, and a longtime Springsteen fan, teaches the Cain and Abel story, he urges his students to examine Genesis Rabbah and other commentaries. “But of course we look at ‘Adam Raised A Cain.’ That song takes the story and gives it a unique interpretive twist. It’s a modern Springsteenian midrash, as are his references to the Promised Land, building a cross from the tree of evil and the tree of good and others. Whenever pop and general culture can draw students nearer to ancient biblical texts in a way that isn’t cheesy and forced, and doesn’t overdo the analogy between the two forms of literary expression, it is helpful.


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I don't know any Jewish mothers who think that Springsteen is one of the tribe

What about the two Rabbi's quoted above? Do their views inform differently?


Only if you are unable to grasp certain basic concepts.
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Post 10 Feb 2016, 6:58 am

Rickyp a week ago
I think Super Tuesday will include 5 of : Trump, Cruz, Rubio, Bush, Kasich and Christie.


And it looks like Christie is the loser. And Rubio probably is down to one more debate performance in SC in order to save his candidacy. And probably every debate will be life and death for him from now on...
Kasich has to hang in for quite a while to get to States in which he will be competitive even if he picks up a little after NH.
And Bush? Well, he's got a lot of money, and may pick up the Rubio deserters if they bail on the robot quickly. So he's in it till Super Tuesday at least.
But this is shaping up to be exactly the situation Trump needs ... a crowded field (4 or 5) where his plurality of support can see him through.
Assuming Carson and Fiorino also drop out, and maybe even if they don't, its interesting to look at where their support flows to... (Carson had a lot of early support in SC)

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So far Morning Consult has published second-choice data for supporters of candidates who have already dropped out. They shared with us the data for Carson and Fiorina. Among Carson supporters, 24 percent had Cruz as their second choice, 19 percent named Trump and 10 percent named Rubio. Fiorina had far fewer supporters, but they might be higher leverage: 23 percent said they supported Rubio, 14 percent named Cruz and 5 percent named Trump. (Another 18 percent named Carson, and in this scenario those supporters would need to go to their third choice, or maybe skip voting.) Of course, these polls preceded the votes in Iowa and New Hampshire, and voters’ second choices could be even more volatile than their first choices are.


http://fivethirtyeight.com/live-blog/ne ... tion-2016/
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Post 10 Feb 2016, 8:25 am

Why do conservative Republicans have such a problem with Kasich? Does he have specific policies they have problem with? Or is it that he signals that he's interested in governing instead of fighting?
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Post 10 Feb 2016, 10:25 am

geojanes wrote:Why do conservative Republicans have such a problem with Kasich? Does he have specific policies they have problem with? Or is it that he signals that he's interested in governing instead of fighting?


That's funny, thanks.

What you call "governing," I would call "growing government." http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/john- ... le/2568816
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Post 21 Feb 2016, 12:47 am

So Jeb's gone. Doesn't look too great for Kasich either, although SC was never likely to be favourable ground for him I suppose. I guess he'll probably cling on for a little longer and hope that Rubio has another malfunction. How long till Cruz calls it a day ? That may seem an odd question, but it does seem to me like he's hit a ceiling on his support. I read somewhere that up to two thirds of the Republicans voters in SC are evangelicals. If Cruz can't win there then it's difficult to see where else he's going to pull a win from. Maybe Texas I suppose, given that it's his home state, but where else ?
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Post 21 Feb 2016, 1:34 am

Sassenach wrote:So Jeb's gone. Doesn't look too great for Kasich either, although SC was never likely to be favourable ground for him I suppose. I guess he'll probably cling on for a little longer and hope that Rubio has another malfunction. How long till Cruz calls it a day ? That may seem an odd question, but it does seem to me like he's hit a ceiling on his support. I read somewhere that up to two thirds of the Republicans voters in SC are evangelicals. If Cruz can't win there then it's difficult to see where else he's going to pull a win from. Maybe Texas I suppose, given that it's his home state, but where else ?


I'm thrilled that Jeb is out.

Anyone but Carson would be able to read the writing on the wall. He's wasting time.

The only thing about South Carolina that won't be true in many states going forward is that it was an open primary. I think Trump is drawing the disaffected who are not drawn to socialism, including Democrats. C'mon, are those who don't want Sanders going to vote for Hillary--if they're angry with the system? She IS the system.

If there are still 5 candidates by Super Tuesday, it's going to get rough to defeat Trump. It will take a 2-man race with virtually everyone uniting in the "stop Trump" movement.
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Post 21 Feb 2016, 9:15 am

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C'mon, are those who don't want Sanders going to vote for Hillary--if they're angry with the system? She IS the system.


Compared to the alternative on offer? Which is probably Trump.
Trumps favorability ratings among Dems was -70 and Independents -27 in January. Surely nothing he's done since January has endeared him to any of them...

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/don ... on-voters/

Kasich is staying in till Michigan and may draw Bushes limited support away from Rubio. Cruz isn't going anywhere. And apparently Carson thinks he will be resurrected soon.
All of the states Trump is well ahead in are winner take all delegates. he can accumulate all of those delegates with about 35% of the vote...Maybe he needs 40% . To grow from 35 to 40% won't be too difficult in the South .

And Trumps appeal in the South there is that of George Wallace and Pat Buchanan... Which provides Hillary with an entrenched 95% of Black and 90% of Latino voters in a general election. Quite an advantage to start with...
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Post 22 Feb 2016, 9:04 am

As I understand it, the "winner-take-all" system was instituted to get the nomination out of the way quickly so that the GOP could focus time and resources on the general election. Trump won all the delegates in SC, yet got less than 1/3 the vote!! I'm betting leadership never imagined that happening. As someone who loves observing unintended consequences, I'm enjoying this, but, man, Trump is a tough way to learn a lesson.
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Post 24 Feb 2016, 12:39 pm

I know the fat lady ain't singing yet but I sure am enjoying watching the GOP sh%t their pants. How many more states does Trump need to win before she does begin to sing I wonder?

You know some parties would suffer defeat from a maverick character like Trump and think to themselves, maybe we suck and need to completely reorganize how we roll. Nope, not the Grand Ol Party. Not Karl Rove and friends. Not even the Trump X factor will wake these idiots up to the reality that their services are no longer valued by the majority of Republican leaning voters.

The hubris of the RNC knows no bounds apparently. And that tells me there is so much money behind this party that they simply can not change. The old guard will simply refuse to get out of the way to make room for change no matter how many decades go by without a presidential win. They deserve themselves I suppose.

In some ways I hope they never wake from their dream.