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Post 15 May 2013, 6:03 am

In one fell swoop, the non-partisan budget referee slashed its deficit forecast for the current fiscal year by $203 billion from estimates made in February to $642 billion - making it the smallest budget shortfall since 2008.
The CBO said the deficit will fall to $378 billion by 2015 with no congressional action - a sharp contrast to the $1 trillion recession-driven deficits in each of President Barack Obama's first four years in office.
The revisions are driven largely by rising tax revenue from individuals and corporations as the economy sputters back to life. They also reflect stronger contributions to U.S. Treasury coffers from government-run mortgage finance groups Fannie Mae (FNMA.OB) and Freddie Mac (FMCC.OB).

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/05/ ... Y120130515

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Post 15 May 2013, 7:26 am

yes, it's really good news. The deficits are now forecasted to decline through 2016 and then go back up again. It's very good timing on Obama's part.
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Post 15 May 2013, 7:32 am

While it's a good data point, the decline is dependent on one-time factors: increased tax revenue from people taking gains under the old tax rates at the end of last year, which is in gov't fiscal year 2013, but in investors fiscal year of 2012. Also, the Fannie & Freddie payments in the quarter were about 70 bil. They won't be doing that every quarter, I don't expect. Still, it's better than a higher deficit.
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Post 16 May 2013, 7:01 am

geojanes wrote:While it's a good data point, the decline is dependent on one-time factors: increased tax revenue from people taking gains under the old tax rates at the end of last year, which is in gov't fiscal year 2013, but in investors fiscal year of 2012. Also, the Fannie & Freddie payments in the quarter were about 70 bil. They won't be doing that every quarter, I don't expect. Still, it's better than a higher deficit.


Yes and no. I agree there were one time triggers to the reduced deficit. But of more importance is the trend line over the next 2 years. It really is going down thru 2016, both as a % of GDP and on a nominal basis. Interest rates should stay low for at least 18 months additional and the higher taxes, sequester cuts, and (mildly) improving economy seem to be making a difference. (I think we just changed sides in this debate, or at least seeing it thru the other's perspective.)

Next step: we have to accelerate our oil and gas revolution so that the economy can really hum and we can minimize the power of these crazy oil based regimes.
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Post 16 May 2013, 9:22 am

Let's not forget that PART (a small part I know) is attributed to cutbacks that liberals were (and are) against, funny how they can complain about cutbacks in one sentence and praise them in another. Also, come 2016 the way these numbers are, we should start seeing a sharp rise if things do not change, this IS good news no doubt but let's not get carried away about a short term bump that is easily explained.
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Post 01 Aug 2013, 12:29 pm

We've seen posted here several times the theory that it is the aging of the workforce that is linked to the decrease in the labor participation rate.

But, what if that's wrong? What if older folks are actually working more and younger folks are . . . giving up?

This shows labor force participation by age cohort, indexed to January 2007. Young people–most strikingly 18 to 19, but also 20 to 24, and 25 to 35–are simply dropping out of the work force. These young Americans are not in the denominator of the headline unemployment figure. They’re the most energetic, strongest, most inventive Americans. They’re sitting on couches in the Obama economy. Su casa es la casa de su madre. It’s not because “the economy sucks,” which is the strange existential answer that even Ivy-educated twenty-somethings will give you. It is because the Obama presidency actively harms young people, and seeks to do so more every day.

On the reasons why and the methods how, more anon.

Meanwhile, N.B., the 55+ cohort has actually become more active and more involved in the labor force since January 2007.


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So yeah, there's this guy running around talking about how he's making things better. I think he's the President, but I don't want anyone to think I'm obsessed with him. I actually am more "obsessed" with the country I'm living in--you know, the one he's systematically decimating. He says "Hope," but he has steadily taken hope away while offering dependence.

Health insurance on your parents until you're 26?

More food stamps?

More ways of getting student loans?

More and more dependence.
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Post 01 Aug 2013, 2:26 pm

link? explanation of what the vertical axis on that graph means? - I can see that it's indexed to 100 at Jan 07, but is it of percentage participation, absolute numbers, or what?

By the way, I believe that part-time working usually increases during recessions and recoveries. It's a thing. Employers don't like to lay people off completely (as they may lose expertise and experience) but will cut hours, and when hiring may not be confident of being able to provide guaranteed full time work. People on part time jobs will look for other part time jobs if they can't find a full-time one.

It would be better if more full-time jobs were around too, but it's not just down to the government - it tends to be a feature of the economic cycles.
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Post 01 Aug 2013, 2:29 pm

danivon wrote:link? explanation of what the vertical axis on that graph means? - I can see that it's indexed to 100 at Jan 07, but is it of percentage participation, absolute numbers, or what?

By the way, I believe that part-time working usually increases during recessions and recoveries. It's a thing. Employers don't like to lay people off completely (as they may lose expertise and experience) but will cut hours, and when hiring may not be confident of being able to provide guaranteed full time work. People on part time jobs will look for other part time jobs if they can't find a full-time one.

It would be better if more full-time jobs were around too, but it's not just down to the government - it tends to be a feature of the economic cycles.

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Post 01 Aug 2013, 3:01 pm

Looking at the original BLS data, these trends go back further than a few years.

Over-55 participation rate (Jan each year)

1991 28.6
1992 28.4
1993 27.9
1994 29.1
1995 29.0
1996 28.9
1997 29.7
1998 30.3
1999 30.6
2000 31.4
2001 31.9
2002 32.6
2003 34.1
2004 34.6
2005 35.1
2006 36.4
2007 36.7
2008 37.8
2009 37.9
2010 37.2
2011 37.2
2012 37.7
2013 38.3

16-24 participation rate (Jan each year):

1991 58.5
1992 56.8
1993 57.0
1994 57.4
1995 59.3
1996 57.2
1997 57.6
1998 59.2
1999 58.8
2000 59.8
2001 59.7
2002 55.3
2003 54.9
2004 54.1
2005 53.7
2006 54.0
2007 54.4
2008 52.5
2009 48.8
2010 44.6
2011 45.3
2012 45.8
2013 46.3

the overall trend is steadily up for over 55s, and downwards for under 25s. I think there is more to it that just the current administration policies. Of course, it is expensive to make older people redundant.
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Post 01 Aug 2013, 3:08 pm

danivon wrote:I think there is more to it that just the current administration policies. Of course, it is expensive to make older people redundant.


He keeps talking about how good things are, so take it up with the Man. He ought to be trying to reverse it.

As for your weak sauce claim about part-time jobs being cyclical, why doesn't the President say that instead of crowing about jobs he's created?

"This cycle has created x million part-time jobs" wouldn't quite have the same ring, would it?

Further, if you don't think businesses are responding to actual costs of Obamacare mandates, then you must think American businessmen are pretty stupid.
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Post 01 Aug 2013, 3:44 pm

Doctor Fate wrote:
danivon wrote:I think there is more to it that just the current administration policies. Of course, it is expensive to make older people redundant.


He keeps talking about how good things are, so take it up with the Man. He ought to be trying to reverse it.
Maybe he should, but what are the causes of this longer term trend. that may help point to solutions.

As for your weak sauce claim about part-time jobs being cyclical, why doesn't the President say that instead of crowing about jobs he's created?
Ask him.

Further, if you don't think businesses are responding to actual costs of Obamacare mandates, then you must think American businessmen are pretty stupid.
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Post 02 Aug 2013, 8:25 am

The "booming" Obama Recovery:

Of 953,000 Jobs Created In 2013, 77%, Or 731,000 Are Part-Time


Lower than expected growth today:

U.S. Adds 162,000 Jobs, Continuing a Tepid Run
Unemployment Rate at 7.4%; May, June Figures Revised Down


Opportunities? Not so much:

In 2012, 36% of the nation’s young adults ages 18 to 31—the so-called Millennial generation—were living in their parents’ home, according to a new Pew Research Center analysis of U.S. Census Bureau data. This is the highest share in at least four decades and represents a slow but steady increase over the 32% of their same-aged counterparts who were living at home prior to the Great Recession in 2007 and the 34% doing so when it officially ended in 2009.

A record total of 21.6 million Millennials lived in their parents’ home in 2012, up from 18.5 million of their same aged counterparts in 2007. Of these, at least a third and perhaps as many as half are college students. (In the census data used for this analysis, college students who live in dormitories during the academic year are counted as living with their parents).

Younger Millennials (ages 18 to 24) are much more likely than older ones (ages 25 to 31) to be living with their parents—56% versus 16%. Since the onset of the 2007-2009 recession, both age groups have experienced a rise in this living arrangement.