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- danivon
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24 Oct 2012, 8:25 am
I take it that the arrest of Colin Small in Virginia for voter registration fraud in Virginia (dumping completed forms, so barring legitimate voters from being able to vote) is seen as just as serious as possible fraud. It is disappointing that the state's Attorney General cannot investigate because the state's Board of Elections decided there was no 'political' motive.
Coincidentally, Brandi Lilly (Virginia Registrar) and Charlie Judd (head of the Virginia Board of Elections) are Republicans. And Small was hired by the Republicans to help in voter drives.
(Oh, the answer to DF's question 2 is: One vote, that of a Supreme Court Justice)
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- Doctor Fate
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24 Oct 2012, 9:20 am
Here's the problem: it is Democrats and liberals who uniformly fight efforts to tighten Voter identification.
And, Democrats aren't above attempts at
voter suppression:The Florida Division of Elections and state law enforcement officials are investigating reports from at least 24 counties — including Hillsborough, Pasco and Pinellas — that eligible voters have received bogus letters saying they have been flagged as suspected noncitizen voters.
The letters are written to make it look like they came from the recipient's local supervisor of elections office. The envelopes carry a similar notation. But they are not official letters and supervisors are alerting residents of the hoax.
Seemingly aimed at politically active Republicans, it's the latest case involving voter fraud to emerge in Florida and it comes less than two weeks before the Nov. 6 election.
Voter fraud is like an iceberg--
we only see a fraction of it:Chaotic voter registration rolls make it too easy to commit voter fraud. A February study by the non-partisan Pew Center on the States found one in eight voter registrations were inaccurate, out-of-date or duplicates. Nearly 2.8 million people were registered in two or more states, and perhaps 1.8 million registered voters are dead.
Critics of voter ID laws also fail to note they are designed not just to stop voter impersonation but also multiple voting, non-citizen voting, people voting in the wrong precinct, out-of-state voting and voting in the names of fictitious people.
Examples of fraud are plentiful. Three non-citizens were arrested in Iowa last month for voting illegally in the 2010 general election and 2011 city election. A Democratic nominee for Congress resigned in Maryland last month after allegations that she had voted in two states at the same time. A 2004 New York Daily News study found that 46,000 people were registered to vote in both New York City and Florida, and that 400 to 1,000 had voted in both states in the same election. Florida decided the 2000 presidential election by 537 votes.
As anyone willing to risk perjury charges can register to vote, what prevents illegal aliens, who are already in violation of the law, from violating the law again in order to vote?
The answer is "nothing."
So, why don't we see "evidence" of voter fraud?
Let's see:
1. No proof of citizenship required to vote.
2. No proof of identification required to vote.
3. No Federal registry of voters, so no way to tell if someone votes in more than one State.
4. No law enforcement agency reviewing voter rolls.
Gee, it's amazing there aren't more people caught committing voter fraud!
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- danivon
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24 Oct 2012, 9:45 am
That is your condemnation of the actions of Mr Small and of those who don't want to see a full investigation by the state Att Gen?
Or was he simply working out which ones were by perjurors and binning them?
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- bbauska
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24 Oct 2012, 9:48 am
Or we could look at both sides that are fault and come up with ways of IDing voters, and ensuring voter suppression tactics from both sides are punished when outside the law.
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- Ray Jay
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24 Oct 2012, 9:56 am
bbauska wrote:Or we could look at both sides that are fault and come up with ways of IDing voters, and ensuring voter suppression tactics from both sides are punished when outside the law.
heretic
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- bbauska
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24 Oct 2012, 11:42 am
I know... It is a lot to ask for.
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- freeman2
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24 Oct 2012, 11:55 am
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- freeman2
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24 Oct 2012, 11:57 am
Yeah, sure, let's pretend that Democrats' voter suppression efforts are equivalent to Republican voter suppression efforts. Look, if you want to get rid of at least the possibility of voter fraud you put implementation out to 2018, you work with Democrats in a bi-partisan way to get it done, and you simultaneously make strong efforts to make sure no one is disenfranchised. What you don't do is use your successes in the 2010 mid-term elections to cram through voter ID laws in a way that gives your party an advantage in the 2012 election.
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- Doctor Fate
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24 Oct 2012, 12:19 pm
2018?
It's not taking that long to implement Obamacare. There's no reason for it to take that long.
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- bbauska
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24 Oct 2012, 1:12 pm
Freeman2, Both sides are guilty of this, and it should be stopped. Please don't start with the comparisons of who is a worse violator. I dislike both sides violating law.
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- Doctor Fate
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26 Oct 2012, 12:37 pm
Okay, now this was funny: anyone see the President vote?
Because he voted early, he had to show ID.
Why?
How is that not "voter suppression?"
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- Neal Anderth
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28 Oct 2012, 10:42 pm