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Post 07 Nov 2013, 10:43 am

Ozzie, I don't think I've had a Foster's in 25 years. I don't remember it being anything special (I wasn't very picky back then either) but I do remember the big oil cans it came in. It had a certain amount of novelty to it and in college, bigger beers were always better.
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Post 07 Nov 2013, 10:46 am

My local beer store doesn't carry much Australian but here's what they got:

Foster's Lager (the one I remember)
Foster's Special Bitter
James Boag's Premium Lager
Coopers Sparkling Ale

Any recommendation of these slim pickings?
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Post 07 Nov 2013, 1:06 pm

Not sure about your Wemans down there, but up here (Wegmans headquarters is practically across the street from me) they have a fairly good selection and they do stock Eliot Ness!
Not as hoppy but a slight bite, nice rich malty flavor...very good!

and another example, Porters are not to my liking at all. I have had several and never found a single one to my liking (though it IS interesting how they get a coffee taste when no coffee is present)
But is it swill because I don't care for it? (no)

I would be interested in what Randy thinks is a quality macrobeer? Again, Killians and Amber Boch are two I do enjoy but not enough so to call them "excellent". And even if he said Coors Light was his favorite, I would think that was crazy talk but again, it's all personal tastes and you like what you like! As I stated, Ommegang is known as one of the single best breweries in the world right now. I can't stand the stuff! But I'm not going to call it swill, I simply let each have what they like, be it Bud or Ommegang or PBR or Arrogant bastard.

as far as randy's complaint about hoppy beers, that's simply because of sales and demand. IPA's are all the rage right now and these guys are simply catering to demand and new hops are coming along all the time (hops are pretty much easy to grow weeds after all). I agree that even non-IPA's are often heavily hopped but Boston lager??? That stuff is not very hoppy at all!

and "dining at the V" ...sounds more than a bit sexual to me!
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Post 07 Nov 2013, 3:12 pm

It's like debating the difference between sliced bread in the grocery store compared to an artisan bakery. Of course sliced bread in the store will always be popular, affordable, and convenient, but that's about where it ends.
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Post 07 Nov 2013, 3:14 pm

SLOTerp wrote:My local beer store doesn't carry much Australian but here's what they got:

Foster's Lager (the one I remember)
Foster's Special Bitter
James Boag's Premium Lager
Coopers Sparkling Ale

Any recommendation of these slim pickings?


Anything but the Fosters, James Boag's is really big here at the moment, and IIRC Coopers is a Tasmanian beer (don't quote me on that). I remember during my high school years, everyone had to go out and do work experience. I wanted to get into hospitality at that time of my life, so I ended up being placed at one of the local hotels working in the kitchen. The chef there told me, the only thing a Fosters is good for is making beer batter for the seafood, other wise it had no place in the fridge at the bar.

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Post 07 Nov 2013, 3:21 pm

If any of you beer experts come to Australia and find yourselves in my home town of Townsville. A) Look me up. B) Don't forget to check out our own brewery which has won local and international beer awards.

http://www.townsvillebrewery.com.au/

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Post 07 Nov 2013, 3:43 pm

fyi, Beeradvocate scores Fosters as crap beer as well!
http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/575/918
"Poor"

compare that to the last one I posted that Randy wants to make fun of because of what I perceived as a "pineapple" hint.
http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/1199/16074
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Post 07 Nov 2013, 6:37 pm

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"A dark, malty celebration ale with layered flavors and beautifully balanced hopping. Jubelale pours deep garnet in color, medium bodied, with notes of chicory, earth, spice and fruit. To beer lovers, it’s like Yule fire and family."

Deschutes Brewery's Jubelale tastes like a Norman Rockwell Christmas in a bottle...a hopped up one. But what else can you expect from a brewery wedged in a premier hop growing region?
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Post 08 Nov 2013, 1:30 am

Neal Anderth wrote:It's like debating the difference between sliced bread in the grocery store compared to an artisan bakery. Of course sliced bread in the store will always be popular, affordable, and convenient, but that's about where it ends.
:grin:

And artisan bread will always vary and can be inconsistent.

Ozzie - with you on Fosters for batter. In the idiom of my group of friends, there's a type of lager (generic, tasteless, oddly popular) we call 'cooking lager' - Fosters, Carling, Carlsberg, Skol...
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Post 08 Nov 2013, 11:38 am

danivon wrote:
Neal Anderth wrote:It's like debating the difference between sliced bread in the grocery store compared to an artisan bakery. Of course sliced bread in the store will always be popular, affordable, and convenient, but that's about where it ends.
:grin:

And artisan bread will always vary and can be inconsistent.

Yes, I'd fully agree that would complete the analogy.

Also I'd say the cultural renaissance that is occurring now with food, drink, clothing, and lifestyle is fabulous. The monoculture that arose from the Pax Americana post WWII consumerism while lifting the boat in terms of living standards, kind of threw out the baby with the bathwater in terms of culture.

It's this issue I've had in mind that made it difficult to answer up on the philosophy question I'm suppose to be answering. For me I'm most happy with this cultural renaissance that is occurring, whether it's riding bikes instead of driving everywhere, or playing board games instead of video, making clothes, growing food, homeschooling, pbem Diplomacy, or craft brews.
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Post 08 Nov 2013, 12:11 pm

http://www.cannabisculture.com/content/ ... ted-Deaths

I post this simply referring to those who have alcohol problems, not those who always consume in moderation.

Do you all think we'll see a decrease in violence and drunk driving accidents in the wake of MJ legalization?

Might tightly wound type A personalities do better with MJ in general than alcohol?

The results of a new study indicate that the passage of medical marijuana laws is associated with a decrease in the public’s consumption of alcohol and fewer alcohol-related traffic fatalities.

Investigators at Montana State University, the University of Oregon and the University of Colorado looked at data on alcohol consumption and traffic fatality rates for the years 1990 to 2010. Their findings were published in the Journal of Law and Economics, NORML reported.

“Using individual-level data from the Behavioral Risk Factor Surveillance System [BRFSS] … we find that MMLs [medical marijuana laws] are associated with decreases in the probability of [an individual] having consumed alcohol in the past month, binge drinking and the number of drinks consumed,” wrote the autors of the study.

The researches reached the conclusion that since the public was drinking less alcohol, it was logical that there would be a decrease in the number of alcohol-related traffic fatalities.

“Using data from FARS [federal Fatality Analysis Reporting System] for the period 1990-2010, we find that traffic fatalities fall by 8-11 percent the first full year after legalization … Why does legalizing medical marijuana reduce traffic fatalities?" they wrote. "Alcohol consumption appears to play a key role. The legalization of medical marijuana is associated with a 7.2 percent decrease in traffic fatalities in which there was no reported alcohol involvement, but this estimate is not statistically significant at conventional levels.

In comparison, the legalization of medical marijuana is associated with a 13.2 percent decrease in fatalities in which at least one driver involved had a positive BAC level. The negative relationship between the legalization of medical marijuana and traffic fatalities involving alcohol lends support to the hypothesis that marijuana and alcohol are substitutes.”
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Post 20 Nov 2013, 4:11 pm

oh come come now Randy
first off, most of those beers you mention are considered craft beers, the very thing you want to rip apart is what you like. Try giving us correct examples if you want to talk the rest of us down

Sam Adams advertises it's Boston lager as "hop heavy"
If you know anything about hops, Boston Lager is absolutely NOT "hop heavy" this makes no sense so let's see what they ACTUALLY claim shall we?
Samuel Adams Boston Lager helped lead the American beer revolution, reviving a passion for full-bodied brews that are robust and rich with character. Since 1984, Samuel Adams Boston Lager has used only the finest hand-selected ingredients to create this perfectly balanced, complex and full-bodied original brew


Samuel Adams Boston Lager uses only the finest ingredients, including two-row malted barley and Bavarian Noble hops. The sole use of two-row barley not only imparts a full, smooth body but also gives the beer a wide spectrum of flavor ranging from toffee to toasted. We also take great pride in the Noble hops we use – they’re hand selected by Jim Koch and our brewers from the world’s oldest hop growing areas. The Hallertau Mittelfrueh and Tettnang Tettnanger Noble hops add a wide range of floral, piney and citrus notes, which are present from the aroma, through the taste, and all the way to the lingering smooth finish.


Here you go
The brew is also dry hopped using the Hallertau Mittelfrueh hops for an enhanced hop signature in the aroma and finish.


so they DON'T advertise as being "hop heavy" yes hops are used, yes they have an "enhanced hop signature" that does not make it "hop heavy" for anyone who knows beer will tell you, EVERY beer has hops and this variety, it aint heavy in the hops department!

And phooey on Beeradvocate?

You claim these to be among your likes:
Yuengling, BA gives a "Good" rating
Corona, BA says it's crap
Dos Equis, BA says "Good"
Negra Modello, BA says "Good"
Stella Artois, BA says "okay"
Pilsner Urquell, BA says "okay"
Newcastle Brown Ale, BA says "Poor"
Guiness Stout, BA rated "very Good"
Harp Lager, BA says "Good"
Bass Ale, BA says "Poor"
Becks, BA says "poor"
Spaten, BA says "very Good"
Paulaner, BA says "Good"
Crystal ..not enough info here?

But the majority are considered "Good"
careful how you characterize things, especially when they agree with you!
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Post 20 Nov 2013, 4:19 pm

Randy's link
Introducing a point we will elaborate on in upcoming publications, I’d like to state simply that good beer is not necessarily craft beer, and vice versa, and that the debate is veering dangerously towards emphasizing “craft” over “good”.


and who here said otherwise?
I myself have said of the beers I like best, they are dominated by Craft breweries.
Of the macrobrewers, I mentioned some I do like as well (and most of those score okay to good on BA)
I also mentioned Ommegang Brewery is considered one of the very best yet I have never had anything I even consider fair.

Not all craft beer is good, nobody claims it is, BA ranks MANY craft beers as crap as well! But of the VERY best, those indeed are all from Craft Breweries! and THAT is the point we are making!
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Post 20 Nov 2013, 7:05 pm

Really? We can't even have a civil discourse over what beers we like?

Take this stupid f-ing debate out of here and leave us alone to talk about beer.

On that note:

Not a big fan of browns, but I'm sharing a Rogue Hazelnut Brown Nectar with my wife. One of the better brown ales I've had.

Have also had in the past few weeks:

Dominion Baltic Porter. Ok for seasonal - probably not a repeat for me though.
Sneaky Pete Imperial IPA - I've had better imperials but good.
New Holland Ichabod Ale - Yes, a pumpkin. Above average for what it is but still not a fan of pumpkins.

Need to hit the store tomorrow. Father-in-law coming to town and he likes dark beers. Any unique suggestions?
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Post 20 Nov 2013, 7:15 pm

amen sloterp!
and fyi, I share the same feelings about Brown ales, not a fan. One thing that was funny, I had a beer tasting a while back and had a few browns, I had one that rated high (don't recall what one it was sorry to say) my neighbors supposed favorite of ALL beers was Newcastle Brown but when doing the blind test, he realized it was nowhere near as good as he thought and has not gone back since!